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explore the bazaars our or e-ticket ride

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into the world of the paranoid

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strap yourself in as we traverse the

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universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

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ghosts Lost Worlds cryptozoology waters

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as well as other dimensions it's time to

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take back the night last night now your

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electrifying hosts of exploring the

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one pill makes you larger oh one pill

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makes you small and though of that IP

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Busan gives you don't do anything at all

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go ask alice when she's ten feet OH feed

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your head feed your

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okay Tim now that you're in the proper

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state of mind why don't we do some

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psychic questing let me see I'm getting

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the impression that there's something

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important under this rock okay okay hold

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on let me see let me see you see it's a

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bottle cap something special under that

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Glock you're sitting on no okay well

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hold on let me let me see oh wow what

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what what an ancient sort of alien skull

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no it's even better it's a coded message

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from Tina saying that it's time to start

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the show Wow

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psychic guessing can wait we've got more

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important things to do we've got two

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guests tonight and you know what night

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yeah that was a little that was that was

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like a Bill Shatner thing kind of like

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too overdone you need to do it like Bill

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Shatner then well you know you know he

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actually taught me about the art of

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acting you know what I was well yes i I

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once did an interview with him years and

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years ago be backstage at Dick Clark's

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$10,000 pyramid and he sat there and

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told me graphically with his hands about

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his a sighting of a UFO in the Mojave

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a motorcycle by the men in black and I

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said wow this guy really can lay it on

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and yeah anyway I took I you know I mean

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that's where I got my inspiration to

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some extent and but now I'm on my own

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mr. creep oh I

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got my own you know acting acting

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inspiration here and say it didn't

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Shatner say that later on that that he

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had made the whole thing up

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yes he did just for me I guess I I

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suppose but it was a very elaborate

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story you know and some people chastised

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me they said oh you believed him I said

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wait a minute this was not he was not

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put to a lie-detector test this was for

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an entertainment newspaper in what you

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know it wasn't like some serious UFO

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sighting yeah he was on you know just

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starting out on Star Trek at the time

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and it was supposed to be entertainment

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and it was it was jolly good story but

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you know I got back at him years later

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in fact with Jaime Musa and to some

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degree bill has a show that was a shot

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up in Quebec called Bill Shatner William

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Shatner weird or what and they invited

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me on as a an expert which of course I

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am and there was this story about a

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supposed alien captured in a trap well

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a mouse or something like that and I

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felt sorry for the animal but later the

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person who captured it well was it had a

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on immerse I crazy Jaime was on the

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story but that's what we've come to

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expect anyway you know they wanted me to

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extraterrestrial well I told them I

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it could be a jinn and and I guess if

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this thing really had existed at one

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time it how could this thing get into a

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spaceship and fly here and why would it

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go to go to the zone of silence in in

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real that it was a jinn and I guess a

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shatner it took the pretty expression

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bait and so you know there we go

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or maybe he didn't I don't his producers

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did that's my that's my Bill Shatner

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story for that matter anyway we got more

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important things to do this evening Tim

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I do believe then the Chataway

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here well maybe that's pretty important

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too but let's get on with our yeah

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that's Jaime with side barking at us in

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the background okay anyway what did you

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tell our van so it our vast audience

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including the barking dog hey you're

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doing a Jeff to Mongoose book now we've

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got a talking

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we got the talking dog we were looking

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if you look you look you will you will

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find anyway on with the show and tell us

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we're going to be speaking with tonight

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right well tonight Tim we've got a to

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excellent guest now both of these

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gentlemen this is the first time on

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exploring the bazaars and so I'm really

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happy that we were able to get them to

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come on the show with us well first of

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all we have

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Charles toppin now Charles in rural shop

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chair England and when he was young he

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experienced several psychic events which

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in hindsight may have been connected he

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says he said his first UFO sighting at

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eight years old triggered an apparent

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ability to see spirit forms and have

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spontaneous out-of-body experiences

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these phenomena sparked a passion for

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books on these and related topics which

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as you know he says if that interest has

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never gone away with them now when in

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school he got a small band of

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like-minded fellow teens together and

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they began to experiment with the Ouija

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board in the vain hope he says I've

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contacted space people as George hunt

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Williamson wrote about for us for book

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the saucers speak he says that that's

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escalated leading to bizarre Morse code

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signals on a domestic portable radio and

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we definitely have talked about that one

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because I've always been fascinated by

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you know UFOs and radio contacts and

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things like that so now

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years later he was involved with another

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group which meant to use the Ouija board

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in an old tutor hall in work she left

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are you gonna try to say that I you know

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I can say I can say these words when I'm

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practicing Tim but then when I get on

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the air I could never say it so this

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period of I kept just what practice one

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more practice one more time yeah boy toy

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boat say that five times fast

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this period of activity included working

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alongside renowned psychic investigator

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Graham Phillips and Andrew Collins the

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results were exceptional and the group

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received many a ports in the form of

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books gemstones car tooth cards and a

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wonderful photograph and through the

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work of several groups Charles become

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part of what is popularly known as

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psychics questing in Britain now Charles

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has spent many years studying Tibetan

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Buddhism where he first learned about a

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port that he loves to carve would play

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Delta blues and runs the questing

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our.com which is dedicated to the Golden

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Age of psyche question questing and as

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well we have red pill junkie and I'm

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just so happy that we're able to get a

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riddle junkie on the show with us so now

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red pill junky says that he's a agnostic

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Gnostic I love that he's a walking

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conundrum and medical physical oxymoron

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with emphasis on the more nasty letters

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people this is this is the bio that

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Miguel wrote himself and the mysterious

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day he serves as Grandmaster and the

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International sacred order of Luke Oh

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Luke Lucca Librium I say that Tim you

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you feel that better than I do that yeah

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Championship Wrestling yeah yeah

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Duke - okay that night he pursues his

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lifelong study of everything considering

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mysterious and or paranormal a term he

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personally detest and when he's not

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or in the web looking for his daily fix

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of for Tiana he can be found blogging

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doodle and fooling around and offering

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his services as news administrator at

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the daily Grail one of my favorite

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websites by the way I visited every day

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and he also regularly participates at

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other websites and podcast like

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mysterious universe and now exploring

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the bizarre so now he patiently await

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the mothership in Mexico City so Tim

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let's welcome our two guests tonight

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well be happy to have you both with us

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and the grilling we'll start right now

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you know I gotta ask our first guest a

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an important question does he prefer to

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be called red pill or just plain junkie

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I prefer red pill or rpj for short well

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I think I know where you got the name

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but maybe some of our listeners are not

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that familiar with the term red pill

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well unfortunately the term red pill has

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been recently hijacked by what I will

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call extreme political activists I got

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myself the term and I'll be using it for

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I don't know twelve twelve years at

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least I got the term because of my love

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of two things that seems to be separate

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where I found that they were deeply

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one was the books written by Carlos

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Castaneda mmm-hmm you know made a splash

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is probably a name that is not well

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known nowadays but back in the day in

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the late 1960s he was just us as famous

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maybe more famous than Timothy Leary you

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know he even made the cover of Time

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magazine

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you know he wrote the book the teachings

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of Don Juan a separate reality journey

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to explain

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they also power many other wonderful

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books and I remember reading those books

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when I was just finishing college and I

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became totally who you know and then a

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almost twenty years ago in fact I think

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that in 2019 this movie is going to

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become be 20 years old I saw the matrix

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you know by the Wachowskis siblings

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starring Keanu Reeves and Laurence

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Fishburne as Morpheus and Al's if when I

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saw the movie I felt that it was deeply

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connected with the things that I have

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studied in Castaneda's texts you know

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this idea of an old mentor who picks up

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a young apprentice who calls he calls

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who is to be the one you know to be like

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The Anointed One and through the use of

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substances that have the capacity to

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alter your perception of reality in the

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case of Carlos Castaneda they were yo T

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another hallucinogenic plants and in the

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case of neo Keanu Reeves it was the you

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know iconic red pill that is the you

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which way in which you can finally see

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an expanded vision of the universe so I

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that's that is why the term stuck with

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me and I decided to use it well you know

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we have had

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Phillip K dicks a fifth wife Tessa on

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and of course there are many people

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including her that say that the matrix

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was actually based on his concept of

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reality

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and I've done a book recently that comes

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to about 450 pages which is the matrix

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control system of philip k dick and the

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paranormal synchronicities of tim

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Beckley so I I mean myself I think we

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are living in a computer simulation of

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some sort that there

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is a matrix and in this book I kind of

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lay it all out what you say read fill I

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mean are are we in a somebody else's

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reality are we living in parallel worlds

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at the same time or is this desk in

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front of me as solid as it seems to be

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well it's really nice that you bring

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philip k dick in the conversation i have

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a diverse piece big respect for him and

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his work it's incredible how prescient

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his work has become after he yes well

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yes i mean he is now i guess is his

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heirs are doing that quite well because

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the number of films keeps increasing and

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the the books keep getting a reprinted

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while he was still there with us he did

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not see too much of that renumeration

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himself in fact he passed away before

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the first film which I would believed

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him was it Blade Runner Blade Runner

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yeah yeah yeah was released he did it

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did see a you know a first cut but but

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he never saw the final version of it and

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I you know I if you go back and you

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watch this YouTube clip which I think is

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even up on our mister UFO secret files

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on YouTube back in 1977 there was a

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press conference at a science fiction

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convention and mmm and in France and he

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was before the panel I guess you know in

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front of a microphone and he gave this

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dissertation about how he thought we

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were living in computer simulation and a

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parallel universes and all this which is

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quite interesting because he never owned

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the computer but be that as it may

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everybody in the audience kind of looked

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at him like he was just totally flipped

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out and crazy because as you probably

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know science fiction people kind of

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detest anybody who might actually

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believe

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that there's anything to the you know

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the unusual the weird the bizarre the

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the uncanny because they have been told

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by their their leaders as the great

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isaac asimov and arthur c-- clark and so

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forth that were all a bunch of nuts out

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there and he had his own new way of

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thinking and at the time it was not

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easily to convince people of this but

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now even physicists say am i right are

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talking about the fact that we may be

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living and so yeah i think we are man

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it's all it's all a grand master plan

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it's either a grand master plan or there

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is no plan and somebody eons ago

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flip the switch walked off the space

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station and is going by the computer is

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going by itself i mean there's a couple

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of scenarios you can come up with but in

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this book i've got like 50 years

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synchronicities and we're not talking

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about waking up in the clocks as you

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know for for for our thinking is

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somebody and they they call on the the

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phone you know the the next day i mean

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we're talking about stuff that's so

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strange and so bizarre you would think

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that i made it up but i don't have time

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to make anything up you know right so

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here's the thing

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what i see in in dekes insights what i

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consider him to be is just one of the

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most recent people who are giving the

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latest iteration of something an idea

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that is actually incredibly old is that

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right is yeah and and this idea is

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something that was a subject of

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attention by the early christians and

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these early Christians were called the

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Gnostics right and these Gnostics also

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like dick obviously they didn't used

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analogies or thinking in computer terms

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but they were thinking that the world

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was kind of like a little ocean it was

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kind of like a trap conceived by some

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higher intelligence

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they call the cold their intelligence

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the Demiurge you know and and and his

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minions were the archons and if you see

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that in terms of the movie the matrix

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you will see that as you know the

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architect and the archons will be like

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the ancients controlling the matrix and

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and trying to keep people as leaped

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trying to keep people from not waking up

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to the reality that in the world that

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they live in is in fact not the quorum

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why because we could we could change

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that situation if we found that to be

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true it's a really good question I I

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think that in the case of the Gnostics

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they didn't they weren't in trying to

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change the world per se but their

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ultimate role was to liberate themselves

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from the prison of the world you know

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the same way and maybe similar to what

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Buddhists tried to do when they tried to

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liberate themselves from samsara from

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this wheel of karma and to reach nirvana

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right and in the case of ourselves

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trying to change the world well recently

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I've been very interested in the work of

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someone who made you may have had on

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you should know you should definitely

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get him because he has read written some

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of the most fascinating books in recent

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years that also have a deep connection

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with the UFO phenomenon one of those his

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authors of the impossible in which he

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writes about people like Jacques Vallee

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and with the streamer and even Charles

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fort and another is mutants and mystics

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which is an really interesting book in

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which he lays like a comparison between

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what was happening in the 1960s with SLN

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and the human potential movement and all

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these research by the CIA and remote

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viewing and all this thing you know all

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this idea of of psychic phenomena and on

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the other hand there was pop culture

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with the comic books and in exploring

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ideas by the latest ally of the x-men

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the mutants and people with superpowers

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you know so there was this really

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interesting way in which popular culture

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cross pollinated with actual phenomena

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and one of the theses that Geoffrey

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[\h__\h] subscribes to and I think that

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is a really interesting news area that

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yeah all of us are characters in a story

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but the moment that you realize you're a

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character in a story then you are able

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to actualize yourself and in a small

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manner or maybe in a big manner write

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your own story that's interesting right

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of course I found out now I can rewrite

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my house it's kind of late life still to

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write my hosts door well actually I am

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writing my whole story except that in

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paper I suppose you know and anyway what

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I was just going to say that you know it

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that sounds somewhat like a variation

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and actually it's what I'm gonna say is

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is the variation but the the the popular

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movements based on that book the secret

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you know which really took a simple fly

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yeah very very simplified look at that

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whole you know that that whole idea it's

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like you said this is something that's

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been you know kicked around for you know

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generations exactly and like you said

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the secret is a very commodified idea

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that is actually has roots in very

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ancient not concepts in Western esoteric

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thoughts right things that have been in

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part of the underground you know because

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they were chased by the church made

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changed by the establishment changed by

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governments

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and now they're being like rediscovered

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and unfortunately this with the secret

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they're being repackaged all right well

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I'm gonna have to interrupt you here

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because we have to go to our break and

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come back more exploring the bazaar now

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back to exploring the bazaar with two of

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the most electrifying researchers in the

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Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca Lee

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panting lists exploring the bazaar I'm

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Tim Schwartz in the first segment we

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were talking with red pill junky and now

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we're going to bring in Charles toppin

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Charles thank you very much for being

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with us tonight thank you gentlemen it's

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um it's very early in the morning here I

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don't know whether to say good morning

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it's like 335 there a.m. right now for

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you yeah Mike I can't gave me very

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strange looks when I came down this

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morning well we really appreciate you

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getting up at this ungodly hour to to be

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with us and so I want to start out and I

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express this desire and in the first

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part of the show but I want to ask you

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about your early attempts to use the a

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Ouija board and the radio to try to

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contact UFOs because you know Tim

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Beckley and myself you know we've both

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been fascinated for years about these

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kinds of stories and so I mean to to

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talk to somebody who actually did this

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and you know with some degree of success

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is pretty fascinating well you know as

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far as far as I could tell it was George

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hunter Williamson who I know you're

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going to quote from who got a message

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via the Ouija board that board Adamski

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and these other eight witnesses out to

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the desert to have this supposed contact

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with the spaceman or Athan most people

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don't realize that but well you tell us

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the Soria Charles I mean cuz I I know

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that ya know are you old enough to have

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been around when George had Williamson

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was still kicking

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exhausted every book I could from our

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local library after I saw something when

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I was 8 years old and it was a we would

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consider a nuts-and-bolts craft now you

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know you had the airships then you have

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the nuts and bolts source of shapes and

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you had lights in the sky something else

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will come after it I feel but I was 8

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years old and I saw this thing nobody

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knew what it was and the only time I got

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any idea what it might be was in an

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annual called the Eagle which we used to

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have across here it was a weekly

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magazine you had the Mekong's and down

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there and there was something in that

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that made me sit up and think that's

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what I saw and I told my dad didn't want

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anything to do with it was just fiction

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it was a kids thing now what happened

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was I said to somebody I've seen this

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thing and they said it was a flying

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saucer and I was young but I got as many

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books as I could

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asked as many people as I could and when

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I was a bit older when I was into my

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teens I got hold of the saucer speak I'd

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read it down ski stuff I'd Dino crisp

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eaten all of the people havoc against

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books on you know Truman bathroom

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anything I could get hold of however

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scrappy however you know even the things

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in fate I got hold of as much as I could

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my pocket money used to go on this stuff

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because I want you to say yeah and what

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happened was I mean Tim Bekker you would

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appreciate this you remember do you

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brings leader pulled trench with his

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organization contact is that yet yes all

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right yes Prince Lee and I correspondent

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and he invited me over and I spoke to

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the his UFO a group at the House of

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Lords

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well this is great this is what I love

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about this because we were probably

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corresponding with him around about at

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the same time because I was I was pulled

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out of school I'd had a UFO sighting

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where I'd called my and again this is

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something I would love to discuss with

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other people I had this feeling that I

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must go outside and I and I didn't know

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why I was pulled outside to look in the

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sky it was a very small cloud it was the

540
00:28:50,919 --> 00:28:47,480
only one in the sky the same you know at

541
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:50,929
that time and this silver seed almost an

542
00:28:54,340 --> 00:28:53,570
identical one to the thing I'd seen

543
00:28:57,130 --> 00:28:54,350
while I was young

544
00:28:59,530 --> 00:28:57,140
flew into this cloud and he didn't come

545
00:29:02,380 --> 00:28:59,540
out and money I called my mum and she

546
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:02,390
said I can't see anything I'm sure it

547
00:29:05,850 --> 00:29:04,250
was there because mums believe things

548
00:29:09,730 --> 00:29:05,860
that little kids tell them very often

549
00:29:12,580 --> 00:29:09,740
they're very forgiving and what happened

550
00:29:16,810 --> 00:29:12,590
was that I joined contact I was young

551
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:16,820
probably about 12 or 13 and I wrote up

552
00:29:21,340 --> 00:29:19,730
to the Brinsley a pool trench at contact

553
00:29:22,390 --> 00:29:21,350
you know saying I've seen this thing and

554
00:29:23,169 --> 00:29:22,400
he said thank you very much it was

555
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:23,179
really good

556
00:29:27,700 --> 00:29:25,730
if you anything else happens please feel

557
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:27,710
free to getting in touch well by that

558
00:29:33,820 --> 00:29:31,010
time I got a small group of people

559
00:29:36,310 --> 00:29:33,830
together at school and we did the the

560
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:36,320
Ouija board and we started getting

561
00:29:41,650 --> 00:29:39,770
results and I wrote to him again I had

562
00:29:43,419 --> 00:29:41,660
the letter for so long he said just

563
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:43,429
because somebody from another planet

564
00:29:49,180 --> 00:29:46,130
tells you to do something you don't

565
00:29:50,770 --> 00:29:49,190
necessarily have to do it and be very

566
00:29:53,650 --> 00:29:50,780
careful I think he was one of the few

567
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:53,660
first few people I ever heard using the

568
00:29:59,680 --> 00:29:56,690
word mindful be mindful that they don't

569
00:30:01,690 --> 00:29:59,690
always tell the truth and I thought I

570
00:30:04,750 --> 00:30:01,700
mean as young I got dragged out of

571
00:30:07,770 --> 00:30:04,760
school to have my picture taken still in

572
00:30:10,690 --> 00:30:07,780
my school uniform holding a book on UFOs

573
00:30:12,850 --> 00:30:10,700
and I was in the local paper it's such a

574
00:30:15,370 --> 00:30:12,860
big thing you know I ridicule for quite

575
00:30:17,169 --> 00:30:15,380
a while but also people came up to me in

576
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:17,179
the street and they said they've seen

577
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:19,970
this thing so George hung Williamson was

578
00:30:26,110 --> 00:30:23,090
the first time I read something I

579
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:26,120
thought wow he really made such a deep

580
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:29,090
impression upon me I was into radios I

581
00:30:35,220 --> 00:30:32,610
mean this this is something that God's

582
00:30:38,100 --> 00:30:35,230
you would appreciate this I was I had a

583
00:30:39,690 --> 00:30:38,110
BC three four eight and it was my pride

584
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:39,700
and joy it was an American Air Force

585
00:30:44,730 --> 00:30:42,370
thing black crackle finish had two

586
00:30:46,770 --> 00:30:44,740
converters with it I had a nineteen set

587
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:46,780
which was a tank said and I used to

588
00:30:51,450 --> 00:30:49,210
spend as much time as I could listening

589
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:51,460
and the bands were fairly clear then you

590
00:30:54,570 --> 00:30:53,410
could go up on 220 meters that was

591
00:30:57,090 --> 00:30:54,580
pretty clear he could hear stuff from

592
00:30:59,520 --> 00:30:57,100
America all the time now with this would

593
00:31:01,230 --> 00:30:59,530
this set I was desperate to hear

594
00:31:04,230 --> 00:31:01,240
something and I thought if they're out

595
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:04,240
there I'm up for it and nothing was much

596
00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:07,330
was happening got the group together at

597
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:11,440
school in the geography room I think

598
00:31:16,710 --> 00:31:14,650
about those and we did the Ouija board

599
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:16,720
because we wanted to contact the space

600
00:31:21,230 --> 00:31:18,970
people and it was directed by me these

601
00:31:26,130 --> 00:31:21,240
these guys said okay we'll give it a go

602
00:31:28,620 --> 00:31:26,140
what's the worst that can happen and we

603
00:31:31,530 --> 00:31:28,630
had this we have this whole series of

604
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:31,540
numbers whose bizarre and like almost

605
00:31:38,130 --> 00:31:34,720
like a binary code like a barcode on

606
00:31:39,890 --> 00:31:38,140
something and we got in touch and we

607
00:31:42,140 --> 00:31:39,900
said okay if you're really out there

608
00:31:45,419 --> 00:31:42,150
show us what you look like

609
00:31:47,340 --> 00:31:45,429
took this took about a week before we we

610
00:31:49,919 --> 00:31:47,350
got anything coming through and then it

611
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:49,929
said look window and we looked out at

612
00:31:54,870 --> 00:31:52,170
the geography room and the light drops

613
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:54,880
out of the cloud cover which is pretty

614
00:32:00,660 --> 00:31:57,610
low at the time and it went back I mean

615
00:32:02,940 --> 00:32:00,670
went back up into the cloud and I mean

616
00:32:05,310 --> 00:32:02,950
it'd be honestly shook me even now I

617
00:32:08,010 --> 00:32:05,320
have not spoken to many people about

618
00:32:10,919 --> 00:32:08,020
this over the years because it's so far

619
00:32:12,540 --> 00:32:10,929
away in my past at the time is a big

620
00:32:14,490 --> 00:32:12,550
thing for us but I've had so many things

621
00:32:17,850 --> 00:32:14,500
happen since just ordinary things as

622
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:17,860
well you know life I still have to pinch

623
00:32:23,850 --> 00:32:21,370
myself and we just we took off from

624
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:23,860
there it really took off and the thing

625
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:25,570
you're interested in is the Morse code

626
00:32:33,540 --> 00:32:30,130
on the radio isn't it yes okay I'm on

627
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:33,550
the BC 3 on the BC 3 for 8:00 at night

628
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:37,090
I remember hearing he was a totally

629
00:32:43,140 --> 00:32:39,210
clear channel I was waiting for somebody

630
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:43,150
an amateur ham in Norway to come on he

631
00:32:45,570 --> 00:32:44,770
used to use about three or four watts of

632
00:32:47,490 --> 00:32:45,580
AM on

633
00:32:49,230 --> 00:32:47,500
eighty meters and he was a really good

634
00:32:50,940 --> 00:32:49,240
signal I would wait for this guy every

635
00:32:53,790 --> 00:32:50,950
night to see if he was coming through

636
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:53,800
and on this Clear Channel something came

637
00:32:58,980 --> 00:32:57,010
through that I still don't I didn't

638
00:33:00,870 --> 00:32:58,990
recognize until years later and it

639
00:33:04,050 --> 00:33:00,880
sounds like a cross between commercial

640
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:04,060
moss and over-the-horizon radar and it

641
00:33:08,130 --> 00:33:06,730
obliterated the scent completely there

642
00:33:10,530 --> 00:33:08,140
was it was you couldn't get anything

643
00:33:12,090 --> 00:33:10,540
else apart from this and I discounted it

644
00:33:13,470 --> 00:33:12,100
because I thought it was interference

645
00:33:16,290 --> 00:33:13,480
from somewhere now

646
00:33:19,380 --> 00:33:16,300
the seance stuff at school had

647
00:33:21,390 --> 00:33:19,390
progressed we'd had this thing kept

648
00:33:25,500 --> 00:33:21,400
telling us it was to do with milky

649
00:33:27,900 --> 00:33:25,510
Tzedek soul on sol om I mean I couldn't

650
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:27,910
find anything about it and I there was

651
00:33:32,250 --> 00:33:29,770
nobody really we could ask at that time

652
00:33:34,650 --> 00:33:32,260
because it was so much under cover and

653
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:34,660
it was so secret and it was something if

654
00:33:40,290 --> 00:33:36,970
we've been found out or somebody ratted

655
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:40,300
on us I mean the schoolteachers for the

656
00:33:44,250 --> 00:33:42,850
most part being devout welsh chapel

657
00:33:47,150 --> 00:33:44,260
people i think we'd have had caught a

658
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:47,160
ruckus to be honest so we kept it coin a

659
00:33:51,570 --> 00:33:49,450
friend of mine said it was pretty

660
00:33:53,130 --> 00:33:51,580
religious said I know that name I've

661
00:33:56,750 --> 00:33:53,140
heard it somewhere but it's probably in

662
00:34:00,360 --> 00:33:56,760
the Bible and that was it really

663
00:34:03,630 --> 00:34:00,370
one yeah yeah Jacques Vallee here is

664
00:34:07,110 --> 00:34:03,640
written extensively about that I can't

665
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:07,120
find it Ivan Miguel mentioned this it's

666
00:34:11,460 --> 00:34:09,130
really great to have Miguel here because

667
00:34:15,240 --> 00:34:11,470
he has a clarity I don't have any more

668
00:34:18,630 --> 00:34:15,250
I'm getting pretty vague and wooly you

669
00:34:22,650 --> 00:34:18,640
know his insights into stuff a fantastic

670
00:34:25,020 --> 00:34:22,660
you know and yeah we the melchizedek

671
00:34:26,730 --> 00:34:25,030
thing what we never pursued it but he

672
00:34:28,650 --> 00:34:26,740
seems significant because it was

673
00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:28,660
recurring it came up in automatic

674
00:34:35,310 --> 00:34:33,280
writing only only fairly recently if I

675
00:34:37,350 --> 00:34:35,320
found out the significance of the name

676
00:34:40,290 --> 00:34:37,360
and that was prompted by Miguel really

677
00:34:42,900 --> 00:34:40,300
who's very good at finding the links

678
00:34:46,620 --> 00:34:42,910
between things well Martin with him the

679
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:46,630
radio I knew some Morse code because my

680
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:49,090
grandfather had been a Morse operator in

681
00:34:54,420 --> 00:34:51,370
the First World War and he could wreak

682
00:34:56,670 --> 00:34:54,430
emotional Morse and it was so fast he

683
00:34:58,440 --> 00:34:56,680
had to write it down in shorthand he was

684
00:34:59,109 --> 00:34:58,450
fantastic and he taught me basically how

685
00:35:03,609 --> 00:34:59,119
to do the

686
00:35:07,690 --> 00:35:03,619
the key and we did the Ouija board one

687
00:35:10,539 --> 00:35:07,700
night and I explained this on Greg show

688
00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:10,549
we were babysitting the these kids and

689
00:35:13,739 --> 00:35:11,599
they were upstairs there was sound

690
00:35:16,690 --> 00:35:13,749
asleep we got this thing together and

691
00:35:19,529 --> 00:35:16,700
and he really really really did do well

692
00:35:22,180 --> 00:35:19,539
and we were we would near to a bank

693
00:35:23,859 --> 00:35:22,190
where we used to go sky watching so we

694
00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:23,869
right underneath the shelter of this

695
00:35:29,980 --> 00:35:26,240
bank basically and we did this thing and

696
00:35:35,140 --> 00:35:29,990
I said okay can you put Morse code on

697
00:35:38,140 --> 00:35:35,150
the radio and it said check and this was

698
00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:38,150
spelled out on the board CH e ck check

699
00:35:44,259 --> 00:35:40,160
and I said okay can you do Morse code on

700
00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:44,269
the radio and it said yes and and he

701
00:35:49,329 --> 00:35:46,730
really sort of I said can you put the

702
00:35:51,970 --> 00:35:49,339
letter D on the radio you know dad with

703
00:35:55,799 --> 00:35:51,980
it and there was this pause and it said

704
00:35:59,259 --> 00:35:55,809
check I said daddy did and it's a check

705
00:36:01,450 --> 00:35:59,269
and this little I can still picturing

706
00:36:03,220 --> 00:36:01,460
now it was a little blue port bachik

707
00:36:06,539 --> 00:36:03,230
quite a big one now because it had two

708
00:36:10,569 --> 00:36:06,549
9-volt batteries in to provide 18 volts

709
00:36:12,940 --> 00:36:10,579
for : old transistor circuit and it was

710
00:36:14,589 --> 00:36:12,950
a great sentimental value for me for

711
00:36:16,599 --> 00:36:14,599
years because it had all these little

712
00:36:18,999 --> 00:36:16,609
pirate stations that we used to have in

713
00:36:20,859 --> 00:36:19,009
the UK around the British coast he had

714
00:36:25,359 --> 00:36:20,869
little scratch marks we could find them

715
00:36:27,069 --> 00:36:25,369
and this thing kicked into life and it

716
00:36:30,190 --> 00:36:27,079
was on a note it was just on a clear

717
00:36:32,380 --> 00:36:30,200
spot topper well it was at the top and a

718
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:32,390
medium wave 4 a.m. and it was a clear

719
00:36:39,609 --> 00:36:35,210
spot because there was lots of space on

720
00:36:41,950 --> 00:36:39,619
the band's at the time and I remember it

721
00:36:43,329 --> 00:36:41,960
to this day I remember it because I sent

722
00:36:45,549 --> 00:36:43,339
they was with my couple of friends and I

723
00:36:47,109 --> 00:36:45,559
thought it's not going to happen and i

724
00:36:49,749 --> 00:36:47,119
sat there was his pause and all of a

725
00:36:53,289 --> 00:36:49,759
sudden he almost felt that keep swelling

726
00:36:56,349 --> 00:36:53,299
signal rose from being white noise into

727
00:36:56,950 --> 00:36:56,359
suddenly dad in it mmm and I'm like

728
00:37:00,339 --> 00:36:56,960
really

729
00:37:02,829 --> 00:37:00,349
I mean I'm I can't tell you how much you

730
00:37:04,690 --> 00:37:02,839
know I've seen people have talked about

731
00:37:05,799 --> 00:37:04,700
when they had a poltergeist people have

732
00:37:08,279 --> 00:37:05,809
talked about when this happened and

733
00:37:10,930 --> 00:37:08,289
something else and the shock value of it

734
00:37:12,740 --> 00:37:10,940
that was the first shock value that made

735
00:37:16,980 --> 00:37:12,750
me really wonder what we would

736
00:37:18,539 --> 00:37:16,990
but we'd only ever seen or heard the

737
00:37:21,870 --> 00:37:18,549
good stuff everything that happened to

738
00:37:23,250 --> 00:37:21,880
the the Williamson book was good you

739
00:37:24,990 --> 00:37:23,260
know these were space brothers they were

740
00:37:27,180 --> 00:37:25,000
friendly they wanted contact they were

741
00:37:30,630 --> 00:37:27,190
trying very hard to make contact and

742
00:37:32,970 --> 00:37:30,640
guide people and the little hippie in me

743
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:32,980
at that time that became a big hippie

744
00:37:39,359 --> 00:37:36,010
later on I believe this stuff yeah I'd

745
00:37:41,700 --> 00:37:39,369
written I drink to Desmond Leslie I know

746
00:37:44,069 --> 00:37:41,710
it including the standard dress envelope

747
00:37:46,470 --> 00:37:44,079
with an international reply coupon and I

748
00:37:48,450 --> 00:37:46,480
had Adamski's autograph it took three

749
00:37:50,730 --> 00:37:48,460
months for it to come back but it came

750
00:37:52,980 --> 00:37:50,740
back it was a venerated object in my

751
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:52,990
house and I believed in the space but

752
00:37:58,500 --> 00:37:54,490
that I believed in all of that stuff

753
00:38:01,109 --> 00:37:58,510
because why not and are you saying that

754
00:38:05,069 --> 00:38:01,119
you're less prone to believe in that

755
00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:05,079
today very mixed feelings very very

756
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:09,730
mixed feelings I sure the biggest I mean

757
00:38:15,180 --> 00:38:11,770
coming back to the the most thing and

758
00:38:18,750 --> 00:38:15,190
I'll come back into that I and then I

759
00:38:20,250 --> 00:38:18,760
then asked if it could do um do some

760
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:20,260
more on it said what else would you want

761
00:38:25,890 --> 00:38:22,450
and I just said dad in more she nodded

762
00:38:28,380 --> 00:38:25,900
our lead it did I doubted it and it came

763
00:38:29,970 --> 00:38:28,390
out with that and we sat back and

764
00:38:33,750 --> 00:38:29,980
thought you know we're gonna leave it

765
00:38:34,950 --> 00:38:33,760
but what happened was what to as you

766
00:38:37,170 --> 00:38:34,960
know through that book there are many

767
00:38:40,799 --> 00:38:37,180
references to the techniques they use

768
00:38:44,430 --> 00:38:40,809
and klystrons and things I was very very

769
00:38:46,230 --> 00:38:44,440
lucky my Saturday job was repairing

770
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:46,240
toasters and kettles in the days when

771
00:38:50,940 --> 00:38:48,730
you could get spares for them and the

772
00:38:52,740 --> 00:38:50,950
odd radio you know valve radio and

773
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:52,750
things that was my Saturday job in a

774
00:38:58,260 --> 00:38:55,210
repair shop and the guy who actually

775
00:39:03,150 --> 00:38:58,270
owned that was an old man by even then

776
00:39:04,799 --> 00:39:03,160
and he was a g6 g6 us Eddie Reid and I

777
00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:04,809
would go into him and say look I'm

778
00:39:10,109 --> 00:39:06,730
reading this book and they're using

779
00:39:12,210 --> 00:39:10,119
klystron the using impulse transmitters

780
00:39:13,859 --> 00:39:12,220
do these things exist what are they and

781
00:39:16,980 --> 00:39:13,869
he was a radio amateur he was really

782
00:39:22,650 --> 00:39:16,990
very very well up on microwaves at the

783
00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:22,660
time and yeah way and he would he would

784
00:39:26,020 --> 00:39:24,250
illustrate these things and he would say

785
00:39:27,100 --> 00:39:26,030
come round to my Shack and

786
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:27,110
see what I've got and he was building

787
00:39:32,410 --> 00:39:30,290
klystrons he was doing stuff at that

788
00:39:34,660 --> 00:39:32,420
time you know which which was reinforce

789
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:34,670
what I've been reading in the books he's

790
00:39:39,010 --> 00:39:36,650
fantastic for me to find you know to

791
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:39,020
have this man come up and say actually

792
00:39:46,060 --> 00:39:43,130
it's all possible and yeah do I believe

793
00:39:48,700 --> 00:39:46,070
am I still the old hippie yes I am do I

794
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:48,710
still believe in physical UFOs I'm very

795
00:39:58,750 --> 00:39:54,530
undecided yeah you know I one of the

796
00:40:01,840 --> 00:39:58,760
things I always thought it was peculiar

797
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:01,850
maybe that you know the believers in the

798
00:40:05,590 --> 00:40:03,440
you know the nuts and bolts patch

799
00:40:09,250 --> 00:40:05,600
brothers you know UFOs and things like

800
00:40:11,170 --> 00:40:09,260
that that a lot of them and yourself

801
00:40:12,190 --> 00:40:11,180
included you know communicated with them

802
00:40:15,490 --> 00:40:12,200
you know through either your like

803
00:40:18,130 --> 00:40:15,500
telepathy channeling or you know Ouija

804
00:40:20,470 --> 00:40:18,140
boards and the like and you know even as

805
00:40:24,700 --> 00:40:20,480
a kid I was like you know okay now how

806
00:40:28,570 --> 00:40:24,710
how come or why would advanced you know

807
00:40:32,860 --> 00:40:28,580
a physical race communicate with people

808
00:40:34,270 --> 00:40:32,870
using those kinds of methods you know I

809
00:40:36,700 --> 00:40:34,280
mean now that I'm a little bit you know

810
00:40:38,590 --> 00:40:36,710
older you know I could see where that

811
00:40:41,500 --> 00:40:38,600
could be possible but at the time it was

812
00:40:45,300 --> 00:40:41,510
you know when we went like a lot of us

813
00:40:48,370 --> 00:40:45,310
was more embracing of the

814
00:40:50,940 --> 00:40:48,380
extra-terrestrial hypothesis you know

815
00:40:55,060 --> 00:40:50,950
it's like okay why would these things

816
00:41:02,020 --> 00:40:55,070
why would these beings use those kinds

817
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:02,030
of methods a lot to communicate there

818
00:41:08,170 --> 00:41:05,890
were a lot of events like this going on

819
00:41:09,970 --> 00:41:08,180
Georgian Williams it might have been one

820
00:41:13,630 --> 00:41:09,980
of the first but there was also a fellow

821
00:41:15,490 --> 00:41:13,640
out of Chicago John Otto who had built a

822
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:15,500
communications device

823
00:41:20,050 --> 00:41:17,930
and over the years I I started to

824
00:41:23,140 --> 00:41:20,060
collect their reports from people who

825
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:23,150
were picking up you know messages or

826
00:41:27,940 --> 00:41:25,930
signals or codes on their a ham radio

827
00:41:29,020 --> 00:41:27,950
operators and there were there were

828
00:41:32,110 --> 00:41:29,030
scared of them

829
00:41:34,690 --> 00:41:32,120
there was a Calvert Texas where these

830
00:41:38,350 --> 00:41:34,700
things were talking to three or four

831
00:41:40,090 --> 00:41:38,360
people ham operators on a regular basis

832
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:40,100
there was a large

833
00:41:46,750 --> 00:41:43,370
North Carolina that I'm sure we all know

834
00:41:50,250 --> 00:41:46,760
alia Spiegel he went down there on their

835
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:50,260
behalf of dr. Hynek to investigate these

836
00:41:56,530 --> 00:41:54,650
messages that were I say messages I mean

837
00:41:58,930 --> 00:41:56,540
I don't know how well some of them were

838
00:42:01,450 --> 00:41:58,940
boy some of them weren't voice messages

839
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:01,460
like I think the one in Lumberton North

840
00:42:07,240 --> 00:42:03,490
Carolina said that you know we're in a

841
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:07,250
ship that's circling above the whatever

842
00:42:14,140 --> 00:42:10,640
a parallel and he's like yeah 500 miles

843
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:14,150
up in space yeah it was going on for a

844
00:42:19,240 --> 00:42:16,370
you know on a regular I would say

845
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:19,250
nightly basis for a while before it the

846
00:42:24,460 --> 00:42:22,130
signals weren't coming in any anymore

847
00:42:27,100 --> 00:42:24,470
and then of course you have your being

848
00:42:29,380 --> 00:42:27,110
over there Charles in the UK you had the

849
00:42:31,780 --> 00:42:29,390
very well-known case of the ash Tehran

850
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:31,790
or the ashtar command that took over in

851
00:42:37,720 --> 00:42:35,450
television station wood which is

852
00:42:40,090 --> 00:42:37,730
peculiar yeah which is peculiar if

853
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:40,100
nothing else I mean radio transmissions

854
00:42:44,100 --> 00:42:42,410
it seems to me or to heck up a lot

855
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:44,110
easier to take over a television

856
00:42:50,830 --> 00:42:48,530
broadcast tower because I lived behind

857
00:42:52,570 --> 00:42:50,840
the one that I rent it out to some

858
00:42:54,610 --> 00:42:52,580
people we found that we could just for a

859
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:54,620
joke we can shut it off and nobody at

860
00:43:02,470 --> 00:42:55,850
the station would even know it was

861
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:02,480
turned off fault they were playing

862
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:08,930
classical music but Jim you know a lot

863
00:43:15,010 --> 00:43:11,290
of these you know radio communications

864
00:43:18,790 --> 00:43:15,020
started because somebody got say like a

865
00:43:20,770 --> 00:43:18,800
psychic message or you know a Ouija

866
00:43:23,230 --> 00:43:20,780
board communication or something along

867
00:43:25,420 --> 00:43:23,240
those lines that told them you know go

868
00:43:28,180 --> 00:43:25,430
to your you know your radio turn tune it

869
00:43:29,710 --> 00:43:28,190
to such a such frequency you know or you

870
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:29,720
know go to your television and turn it

871
00:43:34,630 --> 00:43:31,970
on to channel 2 and you know will talk

872
00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:34,640
to you well nobody knows this or very

873
00:43:40,140 --> 00:43:37,250
few people know that George Adamski 'z

874
00:43:43,330 --> 00:43:40,150
contact in the in the desert was set up

875
00:43:45,010 --> 00:43:43,340
by George hunter Williamson through a

876
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:45,020
Ouija board is that not the correct

877
00:43:49,540 --> 00:43:47,090
Charles I mean are you aware of that you

878
00:43:51,430 --> 00:43:49,550
know another way this is this is I'm

879
00:43:53,530 --> 00:43:51,440
really pleased to get onto this because

880
00:43:55,660 --> 00:43:53,540
when I did the show me Greg

881
00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:55,670
the show is Greg I had quite a few

882
00:43:59,890 --> 00:43:57,770
people write up and that people had

883
00:44:01,570 --> 00:43:59,900
found me because it's quite an unusual

884
00:44:04,690 --> 00:44:01,580
name even in this country I think they

885
00:44:07,570 --> 00:44:04,700
said I'm a G for you no G Ford something

886
00:44:08,950 --> 00:44:07,580
callsign and always somebody wrote up

887
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:08,960
saying I've been in broadcast

888
00:44:16,590 --> 00:44:11,450
transmitters for 40 years people were

889
00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:16,600
really very very interested you know and

890
00:44:21,370 --> 00:44:19,250
your when you wrote to me saying about

891
00:44:23,530 --> 00:44:21,380
the contact with with the hams and so

892
00:44:26,110 --> 00:44:23,540
forth I found that fascinating because

893
00:44:28,900 --> 00:44:26,120
this I didn't know this when we did that

894
00:44:32,010 --> 00:44:28,910
when we did our sketch in school and we

895
00:44:35,140 --> 00:44:32,020
got all of this stuff it led to my

896
00:44:37,300 --> 00:44:35,150
triangular-shaped UFO experience was

897
00:44:39,190 --> 00:44:37,310
really I mean I'm not allowed to swear

898
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:39,200
on this but it really put the screaming

899
00:44:43,060 --> 00:44:40,850
willies up me and I didn't touch this

900
00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:43,070
subject for a long time it was just too

901
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:46,160
real and it was it it was you know for I

902
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:48,770
was only about 15 I wasn't even 16 I

903
00:44:52,150 --> 00:44:50,570
thought about this today because I

904
00:44:54,580 --> 00:44:52,160
hadn't started full-time work I was

905
00:44:56,890 --> 00:44:54,590
still doing the repair job and I left

906
00:44:58,960 --> 00:44:56,900
school and so 15 possibly coming up to

907
00:45:01,870 --> 00:44:58,970
16 and that was the thing that

908
00:45:03,820 --> 00:45:01,880
culminated in it now I didn't know about

909
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:03,830
the things you were talking about that

910
00:45:08,860 --> 00:45:06,290
other people had been contacted with our

911
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:08,870
stuff nobody said that it couldn't

912
00:45:15,940 --> 00:45:12,890
happen nobody said that these things you

913
00:45:17,950 --> 00:45:15,950
know there was no we have no other

914
00:45:20,170 --> 00:45:17,960
reference point other than the books and

915
00:45:22,780 --> 00:45:20,180
we believed the books because obviously

916
00:45:24,670 --> 00:45:22,790
if this bloke hon Williams had had been

917
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:24,680
lying somebody would have come along

918
00:45:30,970 --> 00:45:28,850
years later and disproved it or put up a

919
00:45:36,810 --> 00:45:30,980
rebuttal or some something in print to

920
00:45:39,550 --> 00:45:36,820
say otherwise and nobody done that

921
00:45:42,220 --> 00:45:39,560
mostly Jim Mosley would have come close

922
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:42,230
he claims that day George or Trent

923
00:45:45,430 --> 00:45:44,570
Williamson pushed his wife off the side

924
00:45:46,930 --> 00:45:45,440
of the Clifton

925
00:45:49,510 --> 00:45:46,940
well that was a total hoax you know I

926
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:49,520
knew Jim Mosley I I worked for him and

927
00:45:54,430 --> 00:45:51,890
his office and then Manhattan

928
00:45:58,570 --> 00:45:54,440
one thing about Jim very humorous guy in

929
00:46:00,670 --> 00:45:58,580
his own way but he was often influenced

930
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:00,680
by people without ever having checked

931
00:46:05,230 --> 00:46:03,890
into the statements that they they made

932
00:46:06,789 --> 00:46:05,240
I mean he would even believe Philip

933
00:46:08,949 --> 00:46:06,799
Glass's say the most

934
00:46:10,959 --> 00:46:08,959
southland this you know things and then

935
00:46:13,390 --> 00:46:10,969
he come back and say well you know

936
00:46:15,429 --> 00:46:13,400
Philip Claire said it well so what you

937
00:46:17,049 --> 00:46:15,439
know I mean anybody can say anything

938
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:17,059
that they want you got to go out and do

939
00:46:22,150 --> 00:46:19,729
a little bit of digging you know you're

940
00:46:25,209 --> 00:46:22,160
yourself and make up your own mind

941
00:46:28,299 --> 00:46:25,219
that's that's what I tell everybody you

942
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:28,309
know you see we got results

943
00:46:32,559 --> 00:46:30,410
we actually got results that we didn't

944
00:46:33,969 --> 00:46:32,569
expect and in a way we did expect them

945
00:46:35,349 --> 00:46:33,979
because you just follow you know you

946
00:46:37,029 --> 00:46:35,359
follow the book you get the Ouija board

947
00:46:38,559 --> 00:46:37,039
you do this that the other and these

948
00:46:40,779 --> 00:46:38,569
things will happen and they happen to us

949
00:46:43,509 --> 00:46:40,789
and we just accepted it we were very

950
00:46:46,259 --> 00:46:43,519
surprised very pleased very quietly you

951
00:46:49,509 --> 00:46:46,269
know wary of it but it happened the

952
00:46:50,979 --> 00:46:49,519
triangular thing is the one thing with

953
00:46:53,439 --> 00:46:50,989
this feeling that you've got to be

954
00:46:54,999 --> 00:46:53,449
somewhere you've got to be there now

955
00:46:57,189 --> 00:46:55,009
you've got to do this thing and follow

956
00:46:59,079 --> 00:46:57,199
it we're coming we're coming up on a

957
00:47:01,539 --> 00:46:59,089
break here in just a few seconds and

958
00:47:04,569 --> 00:47:01,549
when we come back we want it we want to

959
00:47:07,329 --> 00:47:04,579
hear about the triangle right the

960
00:47:09,669 --> 00:47:07,339
triangular thing will be back if you

961
00:47:12,069 --> 00:47:09,679
I'll be back in just a few minutes of

962
00:47:20,910 --> 00:47:12,079
time so everybody get your time-warp

963
00:47:27,860 --> 00:47:25,410
explore the bazaars or e-ticket ride

964
00:47:31,170 --> 00:47:27,870
into the world of the paranormal

965
00:47:35,450 --> 00:47:31,180
strap yourself in as we traverse the

966
00:47:38,570 --> 00:47:35,460
universe exploring the unexplained UFO s

967
00:47:40,950 --> 00:47:38,580
ghosts Lost Worlds

968
00:47:44,820 --> 00:47:40,960
cryptozoology as well as other

969
00:47:49,950 --> 00:47:44,830
dimensions it's time to take back the

970
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:49,960
night now your electrifying hosts of

971
00:47:58,770 --> 00:47:53,050
exploring the bizarre Timothy Begley and

972
00:48:00,180 --> 00:47:58,780
team sports go back to the second hour

973
00:48:03,290 --> 00:48:00,190
of exploring the bizarre I'm Tim

974
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:03,300
Schwartz tonight we're talking with

975
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:07,770
Charles Topham and red pill junky now

976
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:12,970
before we go back with Charles Miguel I

977
00:48:22,070 --> 00:48:17,170
wanted to ask you just real quick

978
00:48:25,230 --> 00:48:22,080
how did you and Charles get together to

979
00:48:30,690 --> 00:48:25,240
bring his story you know over here - I

980
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:30,700
know you he was on first on Greg bishops

981
00:48:36,300 --> 00:48:33,520
radio mysterioso and I'm not sure if

982
00:48:38,130 --> 00:48:36,310
he's been on anyplace else now besides

983
00:48:40,770 --> 00:48:38,140
our show and we'll just we'll just say

984
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:40,780
it's has just been radio mysterioso in

985
00:48:47,130 --> 00:48:46,450
our show and were the road go wait sorry

986
00:48:51,060 --> 00:48:47,140
I asked

987
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:51,070
okay so how did we meet I think he

988
00:49:00,030 --> 00:48:57,520
aborted my house well now that I think

989
00:49:05,580 --> 00:49:00,040
about it because you see what happened

990
00:49:08,130 --> 00:49:05,590
is that very early this year I made a I

991
00:49:10,620 --> 00:49:08,140
did a show with gene Steinberg for the

992
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:10,630
podcast and at one point of the

993
00:49:17,910 --> 00:49:14,530
conversation we were talking about you

994
00:49:22,380 --> 00:49:17,920
know UFO abductions and all of that and

995
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:22,390
I don't know you probably know by now

996
00:49:28,020 --> 00:49:26,050
that I'm not really come in agreement

997
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:28,030
with people who go with the usual is

998
00:49:34,500 --> 00:49:32,890
easy not some bolts explanation for this

999
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:34,510
phenomena so

1000
00:49:41,750 --> 00:49:37,570
was an electro pulsing and the ideal

1001
00:49:44,430 --> 00:49:41,760
okay so maybe these implants that

1002
00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:44,440
alleged abductees are finding on their

1003
00:49:48,210 --> 00:49:45,040
bodies

1004
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:48,220
maybe they're closer to upwards or a

1005
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:52,050
stigmata that the wounds of Christ that

1006
00:49:59,070 --> 00:49:54,970
deeply religious people you know Saints

1007
00:50:02,640 --> 00:49:59,080
Catholic saints are say to present and

1008
00:50:08,430 --> 00:50:02,650
oh really this is some some form of

1009
00:50:12,450 --> 00:50:08,440
unknowns psychic phenomena and then a

1010
00:50:16,620 --> 00:50:12,460
few weeks later maybe a month or so I

1011
00:50:18,660 --> 00:50:16,630
receive a letter from Charles young

1012
00:50:21,870 --> 00:50:18,670
telling me that he listened to the show

1013
00:50:25,890 --> 00:50:21,880
and that was really excited that I

1014
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:25,900
mentioned upwards because he have been

1015
00:50:31,860 --> 00:50:30,130
involved with all these movement the

1016
00:50:33,750 --> 00:50:31,870
psychic Western movement and and and

1017
00:50:37,980 --> 00:50:33,760
they have been receiving a lot of

1018
00:50:42,660 --> 00:50:37,990
upwards and that's how we managed to to

1019
00:50:44,310 --> 00:50:42,670
like meet well online and from then on

1020
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:44,320
we started to have these this

1021
00:50:48,630 --> 00:50:46,450
conversation a conversation that I found

1022
00:50:51,090 --> 00:50:48,640
so fascinating that I immediately

1023
00:50:53,940 --> 00:50:51,100
alerted Greg Bishop who is one of my

1024
00:50:56,010 --> 00:50:53,950
best friends in the field well my most

1025
00:50:59,880 --> 00:50:56,020
my best friends period and I told him

1026
00:51:02,220 --> 00:50:59,890
dude you need to listen to what this

1027
00:51:05,220 --> 00:51:02,230
guy's saying because I think this is

1028
00:51:07,350 --> 00:51:05,230
something that the UFO community should

1029
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:07,360
take a better look at this idea of

1030
00:51:11,700 --> 00:51:09,850
psychic question and this idea of people

1031
00:51:17,100 --> 00:51:11,710
getting together in some kind of like

1032
00:51:19,170 --> 00:51:17,110
modern Sands and receiving upwards and

1033
00:51:20,450 --> 00:51:19,180
and the reason what I found this idea of

1034
00:51:24,630 --> 00:51:20,460
the app was so interesting is because

1035
00:51:28,050 --> 00:51:24,640
because of thoughts that are being

1036
00:51:32,730 --> 00:51:28,060
having with regards to Jacques Vallee

1037
00:51:37,890 --> 00:51:32,740
and his investigation on alleged metal

1038
00:51:41,070 --> 00:51:37,900
samples from UFOs right you know and

1039
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:41,080
then and I had the the the the fortune

1040
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:43,930
of actually be part of an interview with

1041
00:51:48,270 --> 00:51:47,290
Jacqueline and another podcast in which

1042
00:51:53,850 --> 00:51:48,280
he explains

1043
00:51:57,630 --> 00:51:53,860
was how the isotopic ratio of these

1044
00:52:01,230 --> 00:51:57,640
samples are so unique unusual they are

1045
00:52:04,020 --> 00:52:01,240
not from they are not of a structural

1046
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:04,030
origin meaning they are not from meteors

1047
00:52:07,980 --> 00:52:05,770
or something that were not produced on

1048
00:52:12,030 --> 00:52:07,990
earth but at the same time there are not

1049
00:52:14,490 --> 00:52:12,040
typical earth metals because they seem

1050
00:52:17,810 --> 00:52:14,500
to be range in the earth at a molecular

1051
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:17,820
level and remember when I listen to that

1052
00:52:22,230 --> 00:52:20,170
something clicked inside my head and I

1053
00:52:24,300 --> 00:52:22,240
asked dr. Jacques Vallee does it does

1054
00:52:27,150 --> 00:52:24,310
this mean that we're dealing with some

1055
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:27,160
kind of agency or some kind of

1056
00:52:33,180 --> 00:52:29,370
intelligence that is capable of

1057
00:52:36,150 --> 00:52:33,190
transforming energy into matter and vice

1058
00:52:38,010 --> 00:52:36,160
versa and and I almost fell out of my

1059
00:52:41,730 --> 00:52:38,020
chair when he said oh yes that is

1060
00:52:44,850 --> 00:52:41,740
exactly what I'm saying right and this

1061
00:52:48,740 --> 00:52:44,860
idea you know a converging energy into

1062
00:52:52,170 --> 00:52:48,750
matter matter into energy that's the the

1063
00:52:55,070 --> 00:52:52,180
final goal of the alchemists right we're

1064
00:52:58,850 --> 00:52:55,080
talking about alchemy here and and and

1065
00:53:01,470 --> 00:52:58,860
we also talking about in a way upwards

1066
00:53:03,240 --> 00:53:01,480
because what what Charles and his

1067
00:53:05,460 --> 00:53:03,250
friends were experiencing and were

1068
00:53:09,030 --> 00:53:05,470
reporting and they were witnessing

1069
00:53:14,970 --> 00:53:09,040
writing right under a kitchen table was

1070
00:53:17,340 --> 00:53:14,980
a physical object materializing below

1071
00:53:21,780 --> 00:53:17,350
the table right something that wasn't

1072
00:53:23,790 --> 00:53:21,790
there and is suddenly there sat modern

1073
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:23,800
science hasn't doesn't have a way to

1074
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:26,170
explain that anymore that it doesn't

1075
00:53:32,310 --> 00:53:29,520
have a way to explain how you know

1076
00:53:35,250 --> 00:53:32,320
something could arrive from maybe

1077
00:53:39,990 --> 00:53:35,260
another universe or another dimension or

1078
00:53:42,870 --> 00:53:40,000
another realm use a high level of energy

1079
00:53:45,330 --> 00:53:42,880
to convert that energy into a material

1080
00:53:47,850 --> 00:53:45,340
object and in this case you know a UFO

1081
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:47,860
I'm a similarly metallic UFO and then

1082
00:53:53,700 --> 00:53:50,970
once they their business is on they

1083
00:53:55,740 --> 00:53:53,710
disappear a pop out of existence the

1084
00:53:59,250 --> 00:53:55,750
same way that sometimes our ports are

1085
00:54:02,130 --> 00:53:59,260
also disappear you know poor Timmy you

1086
00:54:05,579 --> 00:54:02,140
had you had experiences where

1087
00:54:07,589 --> 00:54:05,589
the airports and houses that supposedly

1088
00:54:11,099 --> 00:54:07,599
had poltergeist phenomena attached to

1089
00:54:16,349 --> 00:54:11,109
them yeah yeah just just just one

1090
00:54:18,870 --> 00:54:16,359
incident where we saw rocks fall from

1091
00:54:21,470 --> 00:54:18,880
the ceiling in front of us and I know

1092
00:54:26,430 --> 00:54:21,480
that you know Charles was saying that

1093
00:54:30,660 --> 00:54:26,440
the the ports that that that he saw a

1094
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:30,670
lot of times the agent or whatever is

1095
00:54:37,650 --> 00:54:33,130
causing it is shy and doesn't want you

1096
00:54:39,690 --> 00:54:37,660
to see the process well with us you know

1097
00:54:42,809 --> 00:54:39,700
we said that we all were sitting there

1098
00:54:44,579 --> 00:54:42,819
on the couch watching these rocks I mean

1099
00:54:47,819 --> 00:54:44,589
it just it looked like that they were

1100
00:54:50,039 --> 00:54:47,829
falling through a hole in the ceiling

1101
00:54:51,479 --> 00:54:50,049
but there was no hole in the ceiling you

1102
00:54:53,549 --> 00:54:51,489
know and then you know they they fell on

1103
00:54:55,079 --> 00:54:53,559
the the the carpet in front of us but

1104
00:54:58,920 --> 00:54:55,089
but I mean I've talked about this before

1105
00:55:00,269 --> 00:54:58,930
and we went did you also March some of

1106
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:00,279
the rocks and throw them outside and

1107
00:55:05,579 --> 00:55:03,130
they would return yes yeah yeah mark

1108
00:55:08,549 --> 00:55:05,589
them with a with a magic marker and and

1109
00:55:10,890 --> 00:55:08,559
then toss them in the cornfield behind

1110
00:55:14,759 --> 00:55:10,900
the house and about a minute later they

1111
00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:14,769
came back I said I still have them in my

1112
00:55:21,630 --> 00:55:17,920
house here's some where it's been a

1113
00:55:26,609 --> 00:55:21,640
number of years they disappeared that's

1114
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:26,619
proof they're still around someplace

1115
00:55:29,819 --> 00:55:28,210
course you know I've had people tell me

1116
00:55:31,259 --> 00:55:29,829
you know you shouldn't have done that

1117
00:55:32,940 --> 00:55:31,269
you should have you brought the you

1118
00:55:44,190 --> 00:55:32,950
bring the poltergeist in your house with

1119
00:55:47,519 --> 00:55:44,200
you I was like that never happened well

1120
00:55:52,950 --> 00:55:47,529
okay Charles now before before we get

1121
00:55:55,229 --> 00:55:52,960
into you know yeah your their ports and

1122
00:55:56,579 --> 00:55:55,239
the the the the psyche question question

1123
00:56:03,499 --> 00:55:56,589
I know Tim wanted to hear your story

1124
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:08,609
just a second I apologize for that I'm

1125
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:10,210
struggling at the moment my throat is

1126
00:56:15,750 --> 00:56:13,210
swollen and I'm starting to go down with

1127
00:56:18,990 --> 00:56:15,760
something quite heavy I think okay the

1128
00:56:23,900 --> 00:56:19,000
the recap is we we got this small group

1129
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:23,910
no two three of us repeatedly we were

1130
00:56:29,820 --> 00:56:27,970
encouraged we were almost we had this

1131
00:56:31,740 --> 00:56:29,830
feeling this overwhelming feeling we

1132
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:31,750
must go up on the bank near where we

1133
00:56:35,940 --> 00:56:34,090
lived and we would see something now

1134
00:56:38,910 --> 00:56:35,950
we'd asked a few times can we see your

1135
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:38,920
craft one of these craft and they said

1136
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:41,290
yes and we've had this feeling that we

1137
00:56:45,630 --> 00:56:43,690
must go upon there that night or a

1138
00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:45,640
couple of nights later but at a

1139
00:56:49,650 --> 00:56:48,010
particular time we had to be there at 10

1140
00:56:53,030 --> 00:56:49,660
o'clock and it wasn't a variable thing

1141
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:53,040
it was a nonverbal be there at that time

1142
00:56:58,290 --> 00:56:57,130
so those two of us in particular that

1143
00:57:00,000 --> 00:56:58,300
turned out to be really good at

1144
00:57:04,260 --> 00:57:00,010
automatic writing and I think it was

1145
00:57:06,810 --> 00:57:04,270
down to the other guy and what happened

1146
00:57:09,150 --> 00:57:06,820
was we got this thing go up on the bank

1147
00:57:15,090 --> 00:57:09,160
that night now I was at work that day

1148
00:57:17,820 --> 00:57:15,100
and we this guy was coming up to see me

1149
00:57:19,260 --> 00:57:17,830
I was going down to see him we both met

1150
00:57:20,609 --> 00:57:19,270
on this road and I said we've got to be

1151
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:20,619
up there tonight he said no I've been

1152
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:22,210
feeling this all day it's quite

1153
00:57:25,260 --> 00:57:22,810
important

1154
00:57:26,730 --> 00:57:25,270
it went up there we saw that with the

1155
00:57:27,300 --> 00:57:26,740
Big Dipper was in the sky link was

1156
00:57:29,700 --> 00:57:27,310
inverted

1157
00:57:33,660 --> 00:57:29,710
I like that could probably tell me what

1158
00:57:35,430 --> 00:57:33,670
time of year it was and this light came

1159
00:57:37,770 --> 00:57:35,440
up from the Shropshire plane vertically

1160
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:37,780
zigzagging all over the place that sort

1161
00:57:43,740 --> 00:57:41,410
of falling leaf maneuver it traced that

1162
00:57:47,340 --> 00:57:43,750
it followed the Big Dipper around and it

1163
00:57:50,070 --> 00:57:47,350
went stop flash stopped flash as he

1164
00:57:51,870 --> 00:57:50,080
marked it out quite clearly it was

1165
00:57:54,750 --> 00:57:51,880
indicated it seemed to be indicating

1166
00:57:56,849 --> 00:57:54,760
that and it went back down into the

1167
00:57:59,280 --> 00:57:56,859
plane came back up again and he did this

1168
00:58:02,670 --> 00:57:59,290
a couple of times it was really quite

1169
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:02,680
clear it was about the size of size of a

1170
00:58:09,270 --> 00:58:05,170
pea probably just a bit less at arm's

1171
00:58:13,470 --> 00:58:09,280
length and it went now the thing is when

1172
00:58:16,020 --> 00:58:13,480
I got home from that I was sharing my

1173
00:58:17,490 --> 00:58:16,030
bedroom with my youngest brother at the

1174
00:58:21,180 --> 00:58:17,500
time because the house has been

1175
00:58:22,620 --> 00:58:21,190
redecorated stuff was going on and I

1176
00:58:24,270 --> 00:58:22,630
thought we'll have that's it you know I

1177
00:58:25,630 --> 00:58:24,280
didn't see a craft all I saw was a light

1178
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:25,640
in the sky

1179
00:58:29,380 --> 00:58:28,010
and through the curtain windows I was

1180
00:58:32,799 --> 00:58:29,390
lying on the bed looking through the

1181
00:58:37,150 --> 00:58:32,809
curtain windows and this really big

1182
00:58:39,579 --> 00:58:37,160
thing appeared and I even now a conceit

1183
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:39,589
I can see alms quite clearly even after

1184
00:58:46,539 --> 00:58:41,450
all these years you took it about 1969

1185
00:58:49,420 --> 00:58:46,549
1970 there was it started off as just a

1186
00:58:51,670 --> 00:58:49,430
line which was what you see is a

1187
00:58:53,289 --> 00:58:51,680
2-dimensional thing and it turned as it

1188
00:58:56,819 --> 00:58:53,299
tuned it got bigger and it became a

1189
00:59:00,670 --> 00:58:56,829
triangle one big light on the middle and

1190
00:59:02,140 --> 00:59:00,680
one at each corner and it was sided on

1191
00:59:06,130 --> 00:59:02,150
so I could see this thing quite clearly

1192
00:59:08,230 --> 00:59:06,140
this big triangle and it just faded and

1193
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:08,240
he it was they seemed to be there for a

1194
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:11,930
few seconds to materialize to go and it

1195
00:59:18,630 --> 00:59:15,650
disappeared and after that I sat up in

1196
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:18,640
bed and I really I really did think that

1197
00:59:24,190 --> 00:59:21,170
I've lost it I really thought I'd lost

1198
00:59:27,039 --> 00:59:24,200
my marbles because we all knew that

1199
00:59:30,759 --> 00:59:27,049
these things were saucer shaped we knew

1200
00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:30,769
that they were round and stuff like that

1201
00:59:34,630 --> 00:59:32,569
I'd never heard of a saucer shape

1202
00:59:36,220 --> 00:59:34,640
cracker sorry triangular craft I'd never

1203
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:36,230
heard of one of those and that's what I

1204
00:59:42,039 --> 00:59:38,930
saw after that we had telephones ringing

1205
00:59:45,609 --> 00:59:42,049
and nobody being there electrical stuff

1206
00:59:49,450 --> 00:59:45,619
broke down again more stuff on the BC

1207
00:59:52,690 --> 00:59:49,460
three four eight but very very odd

1208
00:59:55,509 --> 00:59:52,700
sounds really and and they faded after a

1209
00:59:58,870 --> 00:59:55,519
while Alice I really didn't touch any of

1210
01:00:00,970 --> 00:59:58,880
that for years and years and then I came

1211
01:00:04,809 --> 01:00:00,980
across John when I kept John keels books

1212
01:00:06,849 --> 01:00:04,819
and that was the real thing coming back

1213
01:00:08,349 --> 01:00:06,859
to what you said earlier Tim about these

1214
01:00:10,120 --> 01:00:08,359
things can be whatever you want them to

1215
01:00:11,829 --> 01:00:10,130
be and they tend to follow those things

1216
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:11,839
the first time I ever saw that

1217
01:00:16,420 --> 01:00:14,690
Illustrated was in a keel book and one

1218
01:00:18,220 --> 01:00:16,430
of the things I found to be true through

1219
01:00:19,660 --> 01:00:18,230
psychic questing and so many other

1220
01:00:22,749 --> 01:00:19,670
things connected with the paranormal

1221
01:00:25,779 --> 01:00:22,759
keel in one of his books said whatever

1222
01:00:27,670 --> 01:00:25,789
you're looking for whatever conclusion

1223
01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:27,680
whatever feeling you have for this thing

1224
01:00:34,690 --> 01:00:31,250
whatever your hypothesis is the next six

1225
01:00:36,519 --> 01:00:34,700
results will confirm that and I found

1226
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:36,529
that to be so true all these years later

1227
01:00:39,190 --> 01:00:37,970
and I thought yeah here it comes number

1228
01:00:41,740 --> 01:00:39,200
six number seven yeah

1229
01:00:43,300 --> 01:00:41,750
flipped it's become something else and

1230
01:00:45,609 --> 01:00:43,310
we had that with a psychic questing with

1231
01:00:47,410 --> 01:00:45,619
the UFOs anything I've ever been into

1232
01:00:49,420 --> 01:00:47,420
that had a paranormal feel to it and

1233
01:00:52,089 --> 01:00:49,430
there's been enough and it's not like

1234
01:00:56,620 --> 01:00:52,099
I've gone looking for it it's you know

1235
01:00:58,329 --> 01:00:56,630
just lucky circumstances I haven't I've

1236
01:01:01,300 --> 01:00:58,339
never told anybody anybody about the

1237
01:01:02,500 --> 01:01:01,310
black dog experience yet oh yeah let's

1238
01:01:04,420 --> 01:01:02,510
hear it let's hear about that I want to

1239
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:04,430
hear about this is this is one of these

1240
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:07,130
things that happened off the back of it

1241
01:01:10,870 --> 01:01:08,690
happened around the time of the UFO

1242
01:01:13,450 --> 01:01:10,880
think well no we used to go to a youth

1243
01:01:16,300 --> 01:01:13,460
club in the small town that I lived in

1244
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:16,310
and a man called Vivian Worthington used

1245
01:01:20,140 --> 01:01:18,010
to give talks because he lived in India

1246
01:01:23,050 --> 01:01:20,150
he was a member of the British Way of

1247
01:01:25,270 --> 01:01:23,060
yoga and he'd studied yoga he was really

1248
01:01:27,579 --> 01:01:25,280
good at what he did he had eyes which

1249
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:27,589
were what you call quite spiritual eyes

1250
01:01:36,010 --> 01:01:31,250
very bright blue grey eyes like hoody

1251
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:36,020
menuing very much that sort of figure he

1252
01:01:40,300 --> 01:01:37,970
would give talks on dowsing he was a

1253
01:01:42,190 --> 01:01:40,310
very good day he would give talks on his

1254
01:01:43,599 --> 01:01:42,200
life in India waking up in the morning

1255
01:01:45,609 --> 01:01:43,609
and here are the Yogi's in the caves

1256
01:01:47,230 --> 01:01:45,619
doing the arm you know hundreds of

1257
01:01:51,880 --> 01:01:47,240
Yogi's all doing this you do all of this

1258
01:01:54,670 --> 01:01:51,890
stuff and he lived down in a Welsh

1259
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:54,680
Valley not that far from where I'd been

1260
01:01:59,230 --> 01:01:56,450
and I used to go and stay there with him

1261
01:02:02,020 --> 01:01:59,240
and his partner at times and just up the

1262
01:02:05,140 --> 01:02:02,030
road from there was a yoga center with a

1263
01:02:07,059 --> 01:02:05,150
taught Western Yoga they taught term the

1264
01:02:09,339 --> 01:02:07,069
journey of the full zilch at the Tarot

1265
01:02:11,970 --> 01:02:09,349
astrology and things like that and I

1266
01:02:14,620 --> 01:02:11,980
started spending time there at that time

1267
01:02:16,900 --> 01:02:14,630
this valley was the centre of quite a

1268
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:16,910
lot of stuff going on and there were

1269
01:02:20,859 --> 01:02:18,530
magicians that lived at the top that

1270
01:02:24,190 --> 01:02:20,869
we're doing ritual magic it was a very

1271
01:02:26,710 --> 01:02:24,200
intense time not bad just intense and

1272
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:26,720
one night I was with the guy that Ken

1273
01:02:31,690 --> 01:02:29,210
rackleff his name as I was he's dead now

1274
01:02:34,650 --> 01:02:31,700
blessing and he around this centre tiny

1275
01:02:36,970 --> 01:02:34,660
goth and he would pick me up from church

1276
01:02:39,490 --> 01:02:36,980
which was probably about say ten miles

1277
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:39,500
away maybe less he would pick me up in

1278
01:02:45,190 --> 01:02:43,130
the car this real old rattled banger

1279
01:02:46,359 --> 01:02:45,200
with the exhaust hell that was string

1280
01:02:48,579 --> 01:02:46,369
and things I think he wasn't the best

1281
01:02:50,890 --> 01:02:48,589
driver and when we were driving down

1282
01:02:52,839 --> 01:02:50,900
this valley he would say things like do

1283
01:02:54,219 --> 01:02:52,849
you trust in the universe what

1284
01:02:56,410 --> 01:02:54,229
she what happens if the divine

1285
01:02:59,680 --> 01:02:56,420
providence and you know wanted to look

1286
01:03:02,380 --> 01:02:59,690
after you and so yogic stuff he would

1287
01:03:05,319 --> 01:03:02,390
switch the lights off the the headlights

1288
01:03:07,359 --> 01:03:05,329
she'll be careering down this thing and

1289
01:03:09,430 --> 01:03:07,369
it's great it's almost good Jeff how

1290
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:09,440
much do you trust you know and we went

1291
01:03:13,359 --> 01:03:11,170
skittering all the way down this valley

1292
01:03:15,279 --> 01:03:13,369
and of course the thing is he knew the

1293
01:03:17,170 --> 01:03:15,289
road well and if there's anything coming

1294
01:03:18,519 --> 01:03:17,180
the other way you'd see their lights you

1295
01:03:22,569 --> 01:03:18,529
put your headlights back on but it has

1296
01:03:24,339 --> 01:03:22,579
that age it really got me know the

1297
01:03:26,170 --> 01:03:24,349
entrance this is a long rambling story I

1298
01:03:28,420 --> 01:03:26,180
apologize but the entrance to tally

1299
01:03:29,950 --> 01:03:28,430
Garth was quite a wide entrance but you

1300
01:03:31,930 --> 01:03:29,960
could pass it in the car quite easily

1301
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:31,940
and it wasn't always good to negotiate

1302
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:34,130
so he used to love to drive right down

1303
01:03:39,190 --> 01:03:36,650
into the valley right to this one place

1304
01:03:39,819 --> 01:03:39,200
turn around and enter the entrance to

1305
01:03:41,890 --> 01:03:39,829
tanni Garth

1306
01:03:45,609 --> 01:03:41,900
who's driving into it from the left-hand

1307
01:03:48,069 --> 01:03:45,619
side we went down to the churchyard and

1308
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:48,079
we stopped there while he was doing

1309
01:03:50,890 --> 01:03:49,130
something and fiddling around

1310
01:03:54,489 --> 01:03:50,900
he said something wrong with the car at

1311
01:03:57,150 --> 01:03:54,499
that moment the two of us saw this thing

1312
01:04:01,450 --> 01:03:57,160
came over the wall of the churchyard and

1313
01:04:03,069 --> 01:04:01,460
he jumped down not that far from where

1314
01:04:05,410 --> 01:04:03,079
we were and I turned around and I looked

1315
01:04:07,959 --> 01:04:05,420
at it I really didn't like the feeling

1316
01:04:09,849 --> 01:04:07,969
that came with it but I don't you see on

1317
01:04:11,950 --> 01:04:09,859
hindsight did the feeling come with the

1318
01:04:14,229 --> 01:04:11,960
thing itself or was it just engendered

1319
01:04:16,870 --> 01:04:14,239
in me it was that my reaction might my

1320
01:04:20,140 --> 01:04:16,880
survival instinct and we looked at this

1321
01:04:22,749 --> 01:04:20,150
thing is the size of her it was a huge

1322
01:04:24,430 --> 01:04:22,759
dog and it looked dog like you couldn't

1323
01:04:26,170 --> 01:04:24,440
confuse it with a Shetland pony

1324
01:04:28,959 --> 01:04:26,180
you couldn't confuse it with any other

1325
01:04:32,349 --> 01:04:28,969
animal it wasn't a mega you know mega

1326
01:04:34,539 --> 01:04:32,359
sized badger it lets just look like a

1327
01:04:36,279 --> 01:04:34,549
huge dog and it turned around and it

1328
01:04:37,809 --> 01:04:36,289
looked at us and the eyes were really

1329
01:04:40,509 --> 01:04:37,819
strange though the eyes weren't that

1330
01:04:43,150 --> 01:04:40,519
fiery but they had a sort of

1331
01:04:46,239 --> 01:04:43,160
luminescence to them when you see an

1332
01:04:48,009 --> 01:04:46,249
animal's when you see our owl eyes

1333
01:04:50,190 --> 01:04:48,019
caught in the light they have that or a

1334
01:04:53,410 --> 01:04:50,200
cat's eye it had that quality about it

1335
01:04:56,650 --> 01:04:53,420
and I looked at this thing and I didn't

1336
01:04:57,969 --> 01:04:56,660
know what to say and Kent just he didn't

1337
01:05:01,000 --> 01:04:57,979
say anything then this wasn't man he

1338
01:05:04,090 --> 01:05:01,010
really was a master of his own

1339
01:05:06,220 --> 01:05:04,100
stuff you really hit when we used to do

1340
01:05:07,990 --> 01:05:06,230
Krishnamurthy or Alan Watts or Ram Dass

1341
01:05:09,599 --> 01:05:08,000
any of that stuff he was there with it

1342
01:05:12,580 --> 01:05:09,609
he was called the International

1343
01:05:15,849 --> 01:05:12,590
hermeneutics Society he could take any

1344
01:05:18,099 --> 01:05:15,859
word the etymology break it down this is

1345
01:05:20,349 --> 01:05:18,109
a man who was really connected to stuff

1346
01:05:23,470 --> 01:05:20,359
wonderful sense of humor great sense of

1347
01:05:25,500 --> 01:05:23,480
mischief and that this thing stopped him

1348
01:05:28,030 --> 01:05:25,510
dead because he couldn't explain it and

1349
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:28,040
you know it was interesting because we

1350
01:05:32,830 --> 01:05:30,170
drove back when nobody said a word and I

1351
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:32,840
thought what the hell happened there I

1352
01:05:36,490 --> 01:05:35,330
didn't think it was evil I really didn't

1353
01:05:37,810 --> 01:05:36,500
think it was that but it was something

1354
01:05:40,660 --> 01:05:37,820
that shouldn't have been there

1355
01:05:43,270 --> 01:05:40,670
and I said Ken what did you think he

1356
01:05:45,609 --> 01:05:43,280
said I was really quite yogic he said

1357
01:05:47,950 --> 01:05:45,619
it's these things happened he said why

1358
01:05:50,020 --> 01:05:47,960
place that much importance on it and we

1359
01:05:52,390 --> 01:05:50,030
saw it it went it came and it went and

1360
01:05:55,180 --> 01:05:52,400
he what I don't know what it was he said

1361
01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:55,190
I'm not I'm not psychic a little it

1362
01:05:59,800 --> 01:05:57,050
really stayed with me for a long time

1363
01:06:02,859 --> 01:05:59,810
but I thought I never ever want to see

1364
01:06:06,609 --> 01:06:02,869
one of those again ok and what color

1365
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:06,619
were it eyes almost they were almost a

1366
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:09,290
dull I'm trying to think what over here

1367
01:06:15,460 --> 01:06:13,730
we have we have we have these things in

1368
01:06:17,830 --> 01:06:15,470
the road like cat's eyes but this was

1369
01:06:20,290 --> 01:06:17,840
almost like that sort of red almost oh

1370
01:06:22,270 --> 01:06:20,300
if you look at red pill junkies avatar

1371
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:22,280
that red that he's holding around the

1372
01:06:29,140 --> 01:06:25,690
pill it has that sort of quality to it

1373
01:06:33,070 --> 01:06:29,150
yeah he was sorry

1374
01:06:37,060 --> 01:06:33,080
no go ahead he really was big it was we

1375
01:06:39,340 --> 01:06:37,070
were in like an old Ford banger they

1376
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:39,350
don't make him anymore because so long

1377
01:06:43,210 --> 01:06:41,090
ago and we were in this thing and it

1378
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:43,220
wasn't that far off the size of it and

1379
01:06:46,660 --> 01:06:44,690
we couldn't see where it had come from

1380
01:06:48,340 --> 01:06:46,670
other than it came from the direction of

1381
01:06:50,770 --> 01:06:48,350
the church and he disappeared into a

1382
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:50,780
hedge but it's an area where there's

1383
01:06:55,510 --> 01:06:53,810
lots of standing stones there were lots

1384
01:06:57,180 --> 01:06:55,520
of old megalithic sites there so maybe

1385
01:07:01,150 --> 01:06:57,190
it's a hangover from that I don't know

1386
01:07:03,670 --> 01:07:01,160
hmm it'd be interesting to see the area

1387
01:07:07,750 --> 01:07:03,680
where it came over the wall to see if

1388
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:07,760
there was any kind of like nobody would

1389
01:07:13,079 --> 01:07:11,450
call like a ley line that went through

1390
01:07:15,659 --> 01:07:13,089
the area yeah

1391
01:07:18,259 --> 01:07:15,669
you need a good need a good douse her to

1392
01:07:23,370 --> 01:07:18,269
get out there and and trace them and see

1393
01:07:24,630 --> 01:07:23,380
cuz I yeah go ahead I was in the area

1394
01:07:27,419 --> 01:07:24,640
with huge amount of stuff used to happen

1395
01:07:29,189 --> 01:07:27,429
lots of lights in the sky there's a

1396
01:07:33,479 --> 01:07:29,199
fault line that runs very near to it as

1397
01:07:40,409 --> 01:07:33,489
well yeah and what is it about red eyes

1398
01:07:43,349 --> 01:07:40,419
you know that these things have Santa

1399
01:07:46,489 --> 01:07:43,359
yet it's a good question yes it's almost

1400
01:07:51,299 --> 01:07:46,499
like universality earlier that

1401
01:07:56,069 --> 01:07:51,309
paranormal animals cryptids have fiery

1402
01:07:58,559 --> 01:07:56,079
almost red eyes it makes you wonder if

1403
01:08:04,859 --> 01:07:58,569
it's if it's just because it freaks

1404
01:08:08,279 --> 01:08:04,869
people out it evokes a reaction yeah no

1405
01:08:10,949 --> 01:08:08,289
I know things you know some it makes you

1406
01:08:13,799 --> 01:08:10,959
wonder there's so many things where if

1407
01:08:15,419 --> 01:08:13,809
you could really see the core of what

1408
01:08:17,129 --> 01:08:15,429
that thing is if you saw the Trinity the

1409
01:08:18,569 --> 01:08:17,139
true nature of whatever that thing is

1410
01:08:20,160 --> 01:08:18,579
you probably wouldn't look anything like

1411
01:08:22,289 --> 01:08:20,170
a dog or it wouldn't look like an angel

1412
01:08:24,749 --> 01:08:22,299
or it wouldn't look it would probably be

1413
01:08:26,789 --> 01:08:24,759
just some sort of I don't know some

1414
01:08:29,370 --> 01:08:26,799
spinning disc of light it would probably

1415
01:08:31,799 --> 01:08:29,380
look like a small galaxy it would be an

1416
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:31,809
energy form and that we either put the

1417
01:08:38,129 --> 01:08:36,130
rest on it or I don't understand this is

1418
01:08:40,229 --> 01:08:38,139
the thing I've had so many things happen

1419
01:08:42,450 --> 01:08:40,239
I know it's just feel lucky I don't I

1420
01:08:44,309 --> 01:08:42,460
don't even count them anymore but I'm

1421
01:08:46,260 --> 01:08:44,319
not the only one I could I could find

1422
01:08:48,569 --> 01:08:46,270
you twenty people within psychic

1423
01:08:50,430 --> 01:08:48,579
questing that have come from UFOs in the

1424
01:08:52,740 --> 01:08:50,440
childhood right through lots of stuff

1425
01:08:55,229 --> 01:08:52,750
all in life and we are no nearer

1426
01:08:57,089 --> 01:08:55,239
understanding it now but it makes you

1427
01:08:58,919 --> 01:08:57,099
look and look and look and look at

1428
01:09:01,379 --> 01:08:58,929
everything that you can get your hands

1429
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:01,389
on to try and find out why you look into

1430
01:09:07,499 --> 01:09:03,730
disciplines that you would never explore

1431
01:09:09,930 --> 01:09:07,509
in anything else you know I just love it

1432
01:09:12,629 --> 01:09:09,940
I really love it it still fires me up

1433
01:09:15,059 --> 01:09:12,639
with so much enthusiasm even after all

1434
01:09:16,709 --> 01:09:15,069
these years you know well that's that's

1435
01:09:18,180 --> 01:09:16,719
just that we've only got two minutes

1436
01:09:20,579 --> 01:09:18,190
before we have to go to our bottom of

1437
01:09:25,709 --> 01:09:20,589
the hour break but you know do you think

1438
01:09:26,410 --> 01:09:25,719
though that your earlier experiences led

1439
01:09:29,769 --> 01:09:26,420
to

1440
01:09:31,390 --> 01:09:29,779
your later experiences do you think that

1441
01:09:33,700 --> 01:09:31,400
there is a connection if you hadn't had

1442
01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:33,710
your earlier experiences would you have

1443
01:09:40,450 --> 01:09:38,170
even have been capable of producing the

1444
01:09:44,110 --> 01:09:40,460
phenomena that you found yourself

1445
01:09:47,769 --> 01:09:44,120
involved in later that's a good one

1446
01:09:50,650 --> 01:09:47,779
that's it that's the mmm you see I don't

1447
01:09:53,410 --> 01:09:50,660
know because what I'm one thing I've

1448
01:09:53,769 --> 01:09:53,420
realized is we're so earthbound we got a

1449
01:09:55,570 --> 01:09:53,779
body

1450
01:09:58,870 --> 01:09:55,580
if you're lucky gets threescore in 10

1451
01:10:01,120 --> 01:09:58,880
years and I don't know if I'm gonna make

1452
01:10:02,830 --> 01:10:01,130
that sometimes you know wake up some

1453
01:10:04,810 --> 01:10:02,840
mornings you've got a body which is

1454
01:10:07,300 --> 01:10:04,820
limited by time and that defines how we

1455
01:10:10,330 --> 01:10:07,310
view things there are there are things I

1456
01:10:11,740 --> 01:10:10,340
haven't I mean I totally forgot the time

1457
01:10:12,939 --> 01:10:11,750
and space to do it there are things that

1458
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:12,949
happened ology is later I think

1459
01:10:17,350 --> 01:10:15,170
definitely influenced things that came

1460
01:10:20,110 --> 01:10:17,360
after cause and effect I have no idea

1461
01:10:24,430 --> 01:10:20,120
it's definitely a correlation yeah

1462
01:10:26,050 --> 01:10:24,440
definitely all right well we need to get

1463
01:10:28,630 --> 01:10:26,060
ready and go to our bottom of the hour

1464
01:10:31,450 --> 01:10:28,640
break and when we come back you know if

1465
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:31,460
we don't have talked about your sessions

1466
01:10:37,510 --> 01:10:34,010
that produce the aborts I know that our

1467
01:10:40,689 --> 01:10:37,520
listeners are going to riot and kick

1468
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:40,699
their sets in so when we come back

1469
01:10:46,209 --> 01:10:42,650
that's what we'll do we'll have Charles

1470
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:46,219
about his experiences with the ax ports

1471
01:10:57,680 --> 01:10:49,010
on exploring the bizarre sort of stay

1472
01:11:04,410 --> 01:11:01,830
now back to exploring the bazaar with

1473
01:11:07,740 --> 01:11:04,420
two of the most electrifying researchers

1474
01:11:14,940 --> 01:11:07,750
in the Paranoid your hosts Timothy Becca

1475
01:11:16,980 --> 01:11:14,950
Lee Ann Taylor Swift's final segments of

1476
01:11:19,020 --> 01:11:16,990
exploring the bizarre so Tim we better

1477
01:11:19,530 --> 01:11:19,030
get right into it before we run out of

1478
01:11:22,620 --> 01:11:19,540
time

1479
01:11:26,250 --> 01:11:22,630
okay so Charles why don't you tell us

1480
01:11:30,140 --> 01:11:26,260
about the sessions that you and your

1481
01:11:31,380 --> 01:11:30,150
friends were were conducting where you

1482
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:31,390
started

1483
01:11:36,570 --> 01:11:34,570
receiving the port's I mean you know

1484
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:36,580
what what led up to that and you know

1485
01:11:46,710 --> 01:11:42,810
how was it occurring oh okay yeah right

1486
01:11:48,740 --> 01:11:46,720
into a pint pot it's like putting my

1487
01:11:54,270 --> 01:11:48,750
life story on the head of a pin really

1488
01:11:56,100 --> 01:11:54,280
okay I was from my girlfriend and I this

1489
01:11:58,800 --> 01:11:56,110
is this really cuts to the chase

1490
01:12:00,990 --> 01:11:58,810
my girlfriend and I Angela set up house

1491
01:12:04,080 --> 01:12:01,000
in place called Cooley Hall in

1492
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:04,090
Warwickshire and we we both sort of had

1493
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:08,770
a new start basically we got together

1494
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:11,290
under the same roof she was very

1495
01:12:15,180 --> 01:12:13,690
interested in in psychic stuff she was a

1496
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:15,190
really good tarot reader good rune

1497
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:16,810
reader she's still the best tarot reader

1498
01:12:20,580 --> 01:12:19,330
I know her and her family had come up

1499
01:12:22,950 --> 01:12:20,590
through the spiritualist Church in

1500
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:22,960
Coventry at the place called Eagle

1501
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:25,690
Street now my grandfather had taken me

1502
01:12:30,420 --> 01:12:28,690
to Starbridge spiritualist Church when I

1503
01:12:32,250 --> 01:12:30,430
was young I'd grown up with all of the

1504
01:12:33,690 --> 01:12:32,260
books that my granddad had all of the

1505
01:12:37,860 --> 01:12:33,700
books he loaned me all the books he'd

1506
01:12:40,170 --> 01:12:37,870
given me so we had this very very strong

1507
01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:40,180
interest in anything like that and so

1508
01:12:46,350 --> 01:12:43,210
did Angela's sister Ann and her friend

1509
01:12:49,260 --> 01:12:46,360
Martin who was a family friend and we we

1510
01:12:52,650 --> 01:12:49,270
all got together Graham Phillips some of

1511
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:52,660
you might know he's prolific he as an

1512
01:12:57,080 --> 01:12:54,610
investigator he's been there since day

1513
01:12:59,670 --> 01:12:57,090
one really he's had lots of experiences

1514
01:13:02,280 --> 01:12:59,680
he's to say the least I mean that that's

1515
01:13:04,230 --> 01:13:02,290
a shallow way to say he spent his whole

1516
01:13:05,870 --> 01:13:04,240
life immersed in it and he he writes

1517
01:13:08,090 --> 01:13:05,880
very good

1518
01:13:10,670 --> 01:13:08,100
books on historical investigations into

1519
01:13:13,340 --> 01:13:10,680
Shakespeare all kinds of people know

1520
01:13:14,810 --> 01:13:13,350
gram lived in that area at the time him

1521
01:13:17,060 --> 01:13:14,820
and Martin keep Minh had been involved

1522
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:17,070
in a saga called the greenstone which

1523
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:19,410
some of people might know about and the

1524
01:13:27,620 --> 01:13:23,810
eye of fire which was the follow up now

1525
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:27,630
and knew Graham and knew Graham studied

1526
01:13:32,030 --> 01:13:30,210
Martin and we had mutual friends we all

1527
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:32,040
had mutual friends that were from those

1528
01:13:36,190 --> 01:13:35,010
books from those days and somebody said

1529
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:36,200
can't let's let's all get together

1530
01:13:43,010 --> 01:13:40,530
because Corey Hall we had a huge huge

1531
01:13:45,860 --> 01:13:43,020
room which was the bedroom area separate

1532
01:13:47,810 --> 01:13:45,870
kitchen separate bathroom and the very

1533
01:13:49,340 --> 01:13:47,820
low ceilings beamed through it

1534
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:49,350
everything like that had been there

1535
01:13:55,370 --> 01:13:51,930
since he was actually recorded in the

1536
01:13:57,820 --> 01:13:55,380
Domesday book and Wow yeah I mean yeah

1537
01:14:00,350 --> 01:13:57,830
if you this place was just phenomenal

1538
01:14:02,690 --> 01:14:00,360
even the Attic I mean the people had

1539
01:14:04,370 --> 01:14:02,700
owned it they give us a grand tour once

1540
01:14:06,140 --> 01:14:04,380
I know I never seen anything like it

1541
01:14:08,390 --> 01:14:06,150
before or since bearing in mind it

1542
01:14:12,140 --> 01:14:08,400
wasn't a stately home it was it was a

1543
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:12,150
private place it just in just absolutely

1544
01:14:16,430 --> 01:14:13,770
mind-boggling because they were there

1545
01:14:19,250 --> 01:14:16,440
was work done on that house from from

1546
01:14:20,990 --> 01:14:19,260
medieval times onwards to the paneling

1547
01:14:24,020 --> 01:14:21,000
Elizabethan paneling

1548
01:14:27,620 --> 01:14:24,030
bits and pieces from the 1600s into the

1549
01:14:29,870 --> 01:14:27,630
1800s it was a time capsule for people

1550
01:14:31,910 --> 01:14:29,880
that have lived there since doomsday we

1551
01:14:35,930 --> 01:14:31,920
had this one place when we got in there

1552
01:14:37,130 --> 01:14:35,940
very quickly stuff started to happen as

1553
01:14:38,900 --> 01:14:37,140
you know I had been involved with

1554
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:38,910
something to do with the revival druids

1555
01:14:43,190 --> 01:14:41,010
up in fan Barriss which is in North

1556
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:43,200
Wales we had we had seance we've done

1557
01:14:47,930 --> 01:14:44,970
contact we'd been led to places in the

1558
01:14:51,770 --> 01:14:47,940
countryside where there were burial urns

1559
01:14:53,330 --> 01:14:51,780
which they were caches of bronze spears

1560
01:14:57,230 --> 01:14:53,340
that were found all of this sort of

1561
01:14:58,910 --> 01:14:57,240
Welsh breath onic druidic stuff now we

1562
01:15:01,550 --> 01:14:58,920
were closely involved with working with

1563
01:15:03,740 --> 01:15:01,560
a landscape standing stones stone

1564
01:15:05,510 --> 01:15:03,750
circles sacred pools all of these

1565
01:15:07,880 --> 01:15:05,520
because you know Britain is such a small

1566
01:15:09,590 --> 01:15:07,890
place this tiny island off Europe and

1567
01:15:11,780 --> 01:15:09,600
it's crammed full of megalithic

1568
01:15:13,790 --> 01:15:11,790
structures absolutely cramped and they

1569
01:15:16,790 --> 01:15:13,800
all appear to be linked some adornment

1570
01:15:18,459 --> 01:15:16,800
as you would call them ley lines it has

1571
01:15:20,380 --> 01:15:18,469
this energy

1572
01:15:22,900 --> 01:15:20,390
if you read Tom graves his needles of

1573
01:15:25,510 --> 01:15:22,910
stone he talks about all of this and he

1574
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:25,520
talked about why some microwave towers

1575
01:15:30,010 --> 01:15:27,770
phone towers are situated on nodal

1576
01:15:32,229 --> 01:15:30,020
points within these ley lines by design

1577
01:15:35,050 --> 01:15:32,239
not by accident it's not sure it's like

1578
01:15:37,540 --> 01:15:35,060
geode geomancy widely people put

1579
01:15:38,890 --> 01:15:37,550
churches on a particular ley line maybe

1580
01:15:40,930 --> 01:15:38,900
they didn't know why they were doing it

1581
01:15:43,390 --> 01:15:40,940
we were involved with all of that we

1582
01:15:45,580 --> 01:15:43,400
came to collie Hall and we thought let's

1583
01:15:47,740 --> 01:15:45,590
do the board this place is vibing we've

1584
01:15:50,170 --> 01:15:47,750
had we could sense something going on I

1585
01:15:52,689 --> 01:15:50,180
had an apple of a tooth which was a

1586
01:15:56,260 --> 01:15:52,699
herbivore tooth that landed next to my

1587
01:15:58,420 --> 01:15:56,270
overalls and that was that started to

1588
01:16:03,630 --> 01:15:58,430
make us think wow something's going on I

1589
01:16:06,939 --> 01:16:03,640
had a very clear image one night of a

1590
01:16:08,470 --> 01:16:06,949
figure in the room and almost self

1591
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:08,480
luminescent have you've seen Lord of the

1592
01:16:10,780 --> 01:16:08,930
Rings

1593
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:10,790
have you seen Galadriel it had that

1594
01:16:15,850 --> 01:16:13,850
appearance to it and Angela had the same

1595
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:15,860
thing on the same night and we woke up

1596
01:16:22,060 --> 01:16:18,410
the next morning I said I've seen this

1597
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:22,070
thing and he seems to be sentient

1598
01:16:27,550 --> 01:16:24,170
intelligent and he you know it's there

1599
01:16:29,590 --> 01:16:27,560
and I had this nonverbal thing going on

1600
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:29,600
with it and she said you know I'm gonna

1601
01:16:33,490 --> 01:16:31,010
tell you this now and you don't think

1602
01:16:35,709 --> 01:16:33,500
I'm just making it up had almost exactly

1603
01:16:38,709 --> 01:16:35,719
the same experience that night and from

1604
01:16:40,390 --> 01:16:38,719
then on it was a palpable sense of

1605
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:40,400
something building up and it wasn't

1606
01:16:45,459 --> 01:16:41,690
unpleasant it was a sense of energy

1607
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:45,469
build up and it was potential the

1608
01:16:51,220 --> 01:16:47,810
potential you could almost feel the

1609
01:16:53,140 --> 01:16:51,230
static in the air Graham came around but

1610
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:53,150
this time we'd found two swords which is

1611
01:16:57,520 --> 01:16:55,130
another saga in itself the swords had

1612
01:16:59,820 --> 01:16:57,530
come to us and when Graham Phillips

1613
01:17:02,080 --> 01:16:59,830
walked into the room only mind he turned

1614
01:17:03,970 --> 01:17:02,090
he turned away from all the stuff that

1615
01:17:06,310 --> 01:17:03,980
had happened before to get some space

1616
01:17:08,260 --> 01:17:06,320
from it because it had it's like all of

1617
01:17:09,970 --> 01:17:08,270
these things that you get into them and

1618
01:17:12,250 --> 01:17:09,980
once they escalate and that the ball

1619
01:17:14,229 --> 01:17:12,260
starts rolling it does tend to dominate

1620
01:17:17,530 --> 01:17:14,239
your life the synchronicities just run

1621
01:17:20,050 --> 01:17:17,540
riot and you need to be out of it for a

1622
01:17:21,550 --> 01:17:20,060
while to get to let the water settle the

1623
01:17:23,350 --> 01:17:21,560
mud to settle at the bottom of the jar

1624
01:17:26,370 --> 01:17:23,360
and you have some clarity if you're

1625
01:17:28,770 --> 01:17:26,380
lucky and he came round

1626
01:17:31,590 --> 01:17:28,780
and I looked at the swords that were on

1627
01:17:34,310 --> 01:17:31,600
the kitchen table I think just stars

1628
01:17:36,540 --> 01:17:34,320
really funny I can still see his face

1629
01:17:38,760 --> 01:17:36,550
and he asked us if we were the people

1630
01:17:40,950 --> 01:17:38,770
that have found the swords in Milton

1631
01:17:43,560 --> 01:17:40,960
Kings now that's calling Patton who I'm

1632
01:17:45,750 --> 01:17:43,570
in contact with again Colin's lovely man

1633
01:17:47,879 --> 01:17:45,760
and he's he kept getting a recurring

1634
01:17:49,530 --> 01:17:47,889
dream and saw a similar figure to the

1635
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:49,540
one I'd seen the one that Angela had

1636
01:17:54,540 --> 01:17:51,850
seen he had two swords that were

1637
01:17:57,120 --> 01:17:54,550
recovered in the landscape now we

1638
01:17:59,550 --> 01:17:57,130
started doing the board at Quarry hall

1639
01:18:01,500 --> 01:17:59,560
this is a really concertina version of

1640
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:01,510
what happened before that there were a

1641
01:18:04,229 --> 01:18:03,489
dozen stories which we all had to bring

1642
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:04,239
to the table

1643
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:09,130
no pun and yeah I know I said I'm sorry

1644
01:18:12,689 --> 01:18:09,610
about that

1645
01:18:15,180 --> 01:18:12,699
and then what happened was we got some

1646
01:18:18,290 --> 01:18:15,190
contacts with bits of this bit of that

1647
01:18:22,370 --> 01:18:18,300
something that you know all of that

1648
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:22,380
these things were residual energies from

1649
01:18:27,149 --> 01:18:24,730
people that have possibly lived in the

1650
01:18:29,010 --> 01:18:27,159
house people have made a mark in the

1651
01:18:32,490 --> 01:18:29,020
place let their psychic imprint on it

1652
01:18:34,910 --> 01:18:32,500
and very quickly they were expended

1653
01:18:37,169 --> 01:18:34,920
there was nothing cohesive about them I

1654
01:18:41,010 --> 01:18:37,179
wonder what's left of us when we die

1655
01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:41,020
there might be this very faint glimmer

1656
01:18:44,459 --> 01:18:42,730
or faint energy signature which

1657
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:44,469
disappears because if you look at most

1658
01:18:48,090 --> 01:18:46,090
human beings and I'm not being hard when

1659
01:18:51,330 --> 01:18:48,100
I say this there's nothing that really

1660
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:51,340
holds them together that much and when

1661
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:53,050
throughout their whole lives

1662
01:18:56,850 --> 01:18:54,730
it's barely held together so when they

1663
01:18:58,890 --> 01:18:56,860
die there's probably not an awful lot to

1664
01:19:02,220 --> 01:18:58,900
propel them from one lifetime to another

1665
01:19:03,810 --> 01:19:02,230
or create another aggregate which in

1666
01:19:07,459 --> 01:19:03,820
Buddhism what is what we are we're in

1667
01:19:10,260 --> 01:19:07,469
aggregate now we started doing the board

1668
01:19:13,260 --> 01:19:10,270
it was one night when it just happened

1669
01:19:15,750 --> 01:19:13,270
to be that everybody had got a bit of

1670
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:15,760
free time grain was available and a

1671
01:19:19,890 --> 01:19:17,650
Martin were available and they turned up

1672
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:19,900
and it was great yeah so he got a

1673
01:19:25,169 --> 01:19:22,570
drawing board technical drawing board

1674
01:19:27,689 --> 01:19:25,179
which belonged to Angela's son and we

1675
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:27,699
did the letters on it and felt it pen we

1676
01:19:32,490 --> 01:19:30,610
got a glass and we sat there and it

1677
01:19:36,470 --> 01:19:32,500
really kicked off it really kicked off

1678
01:19:40,229 --> 01:19:38,580
again you know this these things we're

1679
01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:40,239
almost like a bit of this somebody lived

1680
01:19:44,729 --> 01:19:42,610
here in 1600 somebody who lived here in

1681
01:19:46,290 --> 01:19:44,739
18 some he was very very but it was

1682
01:19:52,589 --> 01:19:46,300
enough to make his thing yeah okay

1683
01:19:56,430 --> 01:19:52,599
that's all we expected and we then got

1684
01:20:01,080 --> 01:19:56,440
this one contact after about a week two

1685
01:20:03,930 --> 01:20:01,090
weeks possibly the most and it's really

1686
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:03,940
very very different very very different

1687
01:20:09,450 --> 01:20:06,610
you if you met this person in the street

1688
01:20:11,629 --> 01:20:09,460
you get a clear sense that they knew who

1689
01:20:15,270 --> 01:20:11,639
they were and where they were at that

1690
01:20:16,649 --> 01:20:15,280
they had their likes and dislikes and

1691
01:20:18,300 --> 01:20:16,659
their favorite food they had a favorite

1692
01:20:19,919 --> 01:20:18,310
color and music they liked and didn't

1693
01:20:21,359 --> 01:20:19,929
like it that's the impression that's a

1694
01:20:25,700 --> 01:20:21,369
feeling you got from this person and

1695
01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:25,710
very gentle to start with this thing was

1696
01:20:29,609 --> 01:20:29,290
almost coy how hey what are you doing

1697
01:20:31,410 --> 01:20:29,619
here

1698
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:31,420
you know really funny and she said she'd

1699
01:20:35,760 --> 01:20:34,090
been she lived in the house when she and

1700
01:20:39,260 --> 01:20:35,770
she died there when she was about 12 13

1701
01:20:41,850 --> 01:20:39,270
that she wasn't under stairs made I mean

1702
01:20:45,450 --> 01:20:41,860
this is the one thing I mean I know in

1703
01:20:47,850 --> 01:20:45,460
America Americans in the last year I've

1704
01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:47,860
been fascinated with with them Downton

1705
01:20:54,089 --> 01:20:51,489
Abbey and I don't know why because my

1706
01:20:58,379 --> 01:20:54,099
whole thing is how many people I don't

1707
01:21:01,350 --> 01:20:58,389
think they realized that over here those

1708
01:21:03,569 --> 01:21:01,360
those Downton Abbey represents the class

1709
01:21:05,609 --> 01:21:03,579
system in this country it represents the

1710
01:21:08,430 --> 01:21:05,619
worst of it where people that did work

1711
01:21:11,010 --> 01:21:08,440
below stairs we're treated like slaves

1712
01:21:14,069 --> 01:21:11,020
they were no more than indentured slaves

1713
01:21:15,300 --> 01:21:14,079
and this woman this this girl we were in

1714
01:21:17,910 --> 01:21:15,310
contact with would have been one of

1715
01:21:20,339 --> 01:21:17,920
those probably working 15 18 hours a day

1716
01:21:21,419 --> 01:21:20,349
and at the whim of anything those people

1717
01:21:24,270 --> 01:21:21,429
that owned the house would have wanted

1718
01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:24,280
and she you know it happened a lot with

1719
01:21:28,169 --> 01:21:25,690
those people didn't live that long

1720
01:21:29,669 --> 01:21:28,179
because they were worked to death you

1721
01:21:31,500 --> 01:21:29,679
know they weren't given the best of food

1722
01:21:34,310 --> 01:21:31,510
they were in you know the best of

1723
01:21:38,430 --> 01:21:34,320
conditions from Lou and she came through

1724
01:21:41,790 --> 01:21:38,440
and they built up from there and we had

1725
01:21:43,140 --> 01:21:41,800
the swords on the table and Anne had

1726
01:21:45,660 --> 01:21:43,150
said

1727
01:21:48,140 --> 01:21:45,670
I spoke to her about this recently and

1728
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:48,150
it seems to be a fairly accurate account

1729
01:21:54,450 --> 01:21:51,610
can we have some swords and a deed said

1730
01:21:58,020 --> 01:21:54,460
no can't give you any swords I can give

1731
01:22:00,419 --> 01:21:58,030
you a stone and do the house mentioned

1732
01:22:01,620 --> 01:22:00,429
this son on another show but I'll give

1733
01:22:01,890 --> 01:22:01,630
it here for the people that didn't hear

1734
01:22:03,990 --> 01:22:01,900
it

1735
01:22:06,510 --> 01:22:04,000
this is what intrigues me more than

1736
01:22:12,270 --> 01:22:06,520
anything we were shown time and time

1737
01:22:15,390 --> 01:22:12,280
again how airports could be produced and

1738
01:22:17,310 --> 01:22:15,400
it involved lots of synchronicities now

1739
01:22:19,649 --> 01:22:17,320
in the old groups we've done it we would

1740
01:22:21,299 --> 01:22:19,659
go into the landscape following a hunch

1741
01:22:23,729 --> 01:22:21,309
following a bit of psychic information

1742
01:22:26,250 --> 01:22:23,739
that might come up from you or from

1743
01:22:28,560 --> 01:22:26,260
somebody else and an artefact would be

1744
01:22:30,510 --> 01:22:28,570
found in the landscape now it could be

1745
01:22:32,970 --> 01:22:30,520
that the artifact was planted some good

1746
01:22:35,729 --> 01:22:32,980
while ago or it was held in suspension

1747
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:35,739
and when the time was right it was

1748
01:22:41,250 --> 01:22:36,610
manifest

1749
01:22:43,830 --> 01:22:41,260
now we alloted walked in that that

1750
01:22:46,350 --> 01:22:43,840
evening wearing a really nice shawl and

1751
01:22:48,270 --> 01:22:46,360
we all sat around and Anat said you know

1752
01:22:50,580 --> 01:22:48,280
can gives us swords and he said no I

1753
01:22:55,410 --> 01:22:50,590
give you a stone so adi had said to us

1754
01:22:57,240 --> 01:22:55,420
and then he was a double D ie and I

1755
01:22:58,770 --> 01:22:57,250
think in the photographs I was saying to

1756
01:23:01,410 --> 01:22:58,780
you there's one of collie Hall in there

1757
01:23:03,899 --> 01:23:01,420
yes some of the apples we had okay no

1758
01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:03,909
wallet handled she said what kind do you

1759
01:23:09,839 --> 01:23:05,650
want what color do you want the stone to

1760
01:23:12,959 --> 01:23:09,849
be and Alice said well this color is

1761
01:23:15,839 --> 01:23:12,969
fantastic the shawl this is my favorite

1762
01:23:18,510 --> 01:23:15,849
color and she said okay now we had lots

1763
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:18,520
of biblia man see that John Wesley used

1764
01:23:22,890 --> 01:23:21,010
to do we get the Bible and we got from

1765
01:23:25,439 --> 01:23:22,900
pump pump and put our finger on it and

1766
01:23:27,899 --> 01:23:25,449
it would give us the the line the one

1767
01:23:30,839 --> 01:23:27,909
line specifically that related to what

1768
01:23:31,979 --> 01:23:30,849
we were doing and one of the things one

1769
01:23:34,410 --> 01:23:31,989
of the things that came up was the

1770
01:23:35,700 --> 01:23:34,420
fabulous golden silver of Solomon the

1771
01:23:37,410 --> 01:23:35,710
blue waters of the Nile

1772
01:23:39,510 --> 01:23:37,420
we picked a tarot card which was the

1773
01:23:41,609 --> 01:23:39,520
High Priestess wearing that color the

1774
01:23:44,069 --> 01:23:41,619
rider white pack all of these things

1775
01:23:45,930 --> 01:23:44,079
small synchronicities that were found

1776
01:23:51,089 --> 01:23:45,940
within the house within books within

1777
01:23:54,060 --> 01:23:51,099
tarot cards and then I'm cutting this

1778
01:23:55,410 --> 01:23:54,070
quite short really the board started

1779
01:23:59,760 --> 01:23:55,420
going round

1780
01:24:01,290 --> 01:23:59,770
round around the glass and it built up

1781
01:24:02,729 --> 01:24:01,300
and it built up and we were struggling

1782
01:24:04,229 --> 01:24:02,739
to keep our fingers on the glass

1783
01:24:07,530 --> 01:24:04,239
we were standing up around the table oh

1784
01:24:09,540 --> 01:24:07,540
and it was funny funny well I mean this

1785
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:09,550
is really what broke the ice from being

1786
01:24:13,229 --> 01:24:11,410
serious and maybe we're going to look at

1787
01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:13,239
this some from a research point of view

1788
01:24:17,850 --> 01:24:15,250
and we threw all of that out the window

1789
01:24:19,620 --> 01:24:17,860
we look yeah stuff this something really

1790
01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:19,630
good is going on here who do we need to

1791
01:24:23,550 --> 01:24:21,610
prove it to who do we need to justify it

1792
01:24:26,250 --> 01:24:23,560
to we're not gonna get the SPR involved

1793
01:24:28,470 --> 01:24:26,260
we don't care this is our gig it's for

1794
01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:28,480
us and it's fun and it kept going around

1795
01:24:33,510 --> 01:24:30,370
around around and we were laughing the

1796
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:33,520
the the humor the fun in all of this was

1797
01:24:42,689 --> 01:24:37,690
fantastic and it stopped and Ally said

1798
01:24:45,030 --> 01:24:42,699
look I swear we can't see anything it's

1799
01:24:47,130 --> 01:24:45,040
here and I said well I can't see

1800
01:24:50,010 --> 01:24:47,140
anything and she said Jesus you got a

1801
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:50,020
slow tonight and it told you to the

1802
01:24:54,900 --> 01:24:52,330
table and I still remove the shriek of

1803
01:24:58,050 --> 01:24:54,910
delight and Anne picked up a cabochon a

1804
01:25:00,180 --> 01:24:58,060
lapis lazuli cabochon which had gold

1805
01:25:03,180 --> 01:25:00,190
silver flecks in it and it matched

1806
01:25:04,709 --> 01:25:03,190
exactly the shawl that she was wearing

1807
01:25:08,520 --> 01:25:04,719
that she'd only bought that morning and

1808
01:25:10,470 --> 01:25:08,530
addy said nothing happens by chance do

1809
01:25:12,150 --> 01:25:10,480
you know how many times we we that

1810
01:25:19,590 --> 01:25:12,160
played out in our lives

1811
01:25:23,070 --> 01:25:19,600
nothing happens by chance well and you

1812
01:25:25,620 --> 01:25:23,080
know the pictures that you sent which we

1813
01:25:27,419 --> 01:25:25,630
will be able to include in the video

1814
01:25:31,979 --> 01:25:27,429
version of this program that's that's

1815
01:25:33,300 --> 01:25:31,989
put together afterwards you sent me you

1816
01:25:36,870 --> 01:25:33,310
know like pictures of a number of

1817
01:25:40,350 --> 01:25:36,880
objects that appeared and I mean you

1818
01:25:44,390 --> 01:25:40,360
know you can think about the energy that

1819
01:25:48,240 --> 01:25:44,400
has to be exerted to make these things

1820
01:25:50,610 --> 01:25:48,250
here or yeah or yeah and who knows where

1821
01:25:52,890 --> 01:25:50,620
they were taken from you know so I mean

1822
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:52,900
you know wherever they came from you

1823
01:25:56,669 --> 01:25:54,610
know they had to have been taken from

1824
01:26:00,600 --> 01:25:56,679
one point and then you know brought to

1825
01:26:03,720 --> 01:26:00,610
this other and you know you said that

1826
01:26:06,810 --> 01:26:03,730
you know you possibly that the the the

1827
01:26:09,150 --> 01:26:06,820
person or entity or whatever it was was

1828
01:26:11,550 --> 01:26:09,160
you know I got a 12 year old girl who

1829
01:26:12,990 --> 01:26:11,560
previously lived in that house I mean

1830
01:26:16,380 --> 01:26:13,000
you know where do you think that that

1831
01:26:21,300 --> 01:26:16,390
energy could come from to be able to

1832
01:26:22,920 --> 01:26:21,310
manifest physically like that this is a

1833
01:26:25,950 --> 01:26:22,930
good one I was thinking about this a lot

1834
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:25,960
today for the program really one of the

1835
01:26:30,270 --> 01:26:28,810
questions that I did ask if I've been in

1836
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:30,280
touch with lots of the old psychic

1837
01:26:34,020 --> 01:26:31,930
Questers the ones that still alive the

1838
01:26:35,490 --> 01:26:34,030
ones that are interested and one of the

1839
01:26:37,290 --> 01:26:35,500
things I've asked around that people

1840
01:26:40,050 --> 01:26:37,300
have had apples and there's a few of

1841
01:26:41,370 --> 01:26:40,060
them no did you find any adverse effects

1842
01:26:42,690 --> 01:26:41,380
or did you find any drain on your

1843
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:42,700
physical energy

1844
01:26:46,650 --> 01:26:44,650
what engine I used to get is it very

1845
01:26:49,290 --> 01:26:46,660
interesting this because you're talking

1846
01:26:51,030 --> 01:26:49,300
about human agency you know I mean you

1847
01:26:52,500 --> 01:26:51,040
talk about okay this booth whatever you

1848
01:26:56,130 --> 01:26:52,510
call it disembodied thing there's

1849
01:26:59,310 --> 01:26:56,140
something there which acts as a kernel

1850
01:27:01,260 --> 01:26:59,320
really the keer and it just so Morsi

1851
01:27:04,980 --> 01:27:01,270
like at something in an oyster that

1852
01:27:07,950 --> 01:27:04,990
things appear to aggregate ground energy

1853
01:27:12,300 --> 01:27:07,960
ideas it seems to build itself up and

1854
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:12,310
become a chimera he has that sort of

1855
01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:13,690
quality about it because it can be

1856
01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:15,250
whatever you want it to be like you say

1857
01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:16,930
if you wanted to be a demon he will just

1858
01:27:20,910 --> 01:27:19,330
perform whatever they're surprised you

1859
01:27:22,860 --> 01:27:20,920
know if you want it to be Jesus Christ

1860
01:27:24,540 --> 01:27:22,870
and a host of angels he will give you

1861
01:27:27,270 --> 01:27:24,550
that and you know you'll give you that

1862
01:27:29,010 --> 01:27:27,280
it'll give you whatever you want it'll

1863
01:27:30,330 --> 01:27:29,020
give you gin it will give you a lian's

1864
01:27:33,330 --> 01:27:30,340
it will give you time travelers it will

1865
01:27:36,420 --> 01:27:33,340
do anything that you want it to be to

1866
01:27:37,590 --> 01:27:36,430
survive with one wind spirits very often

1867
01:27:39,690 --> 01:27:37,600
you contact them they'll say please

1868
01:27:40,890 --> 01:27:39,700
remember me it's because that form needs

1869
01:27:43,740 --> 01:27:40,900
feeding every now and again

1870
01:27:46,140 --> 01:27:43,750
so you remember them and you feed it it

1871
01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:46,150
gives solidity regards you've got

1872
01:27:53,180 --> 01:27:48,130
something there so this that has some

1873
01:27:56,640 --> 01:27:53,190
parts of playing in it significant that

1874
01:28:08,520 --> 01:27:56,650
Jeffrey mish loves man was at Ted

1875
01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:08,530
Phillips and yeah you got that he his

1876
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:10,330
thing was that his powers came from

1877
01:28:14,010 --> 01:28:12,010
something out there and I think Jeffrey

1878
01:28:16,410 --> 01:28:14,020
Mitch love said it's called a psychic

1879
01:28:19,020 --> 01:28:16,420
crutch and I do believe there is

1880
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:19,030
something in that as you know I used to

1881
01:28:22,930 --> 01:28:21,130
have real problems when an apple came

1882
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:22,940
through and as you see there

1883
01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:25,489
just a few I sent you pictures of and it

1884
01:28:31,660 --> 01:28:27,410
happened to us a few times we would get

1885
01:28:33,970 --> 01:28:31,670
this this yogic center in between the

1886
01:28:36,130 --> 01:28:33,980
sternum they call it the heart chakra I

1887
01:28:40,630 --> 01:28:36,140
think that was the one place we would

1888
01:28:42,100 --> 01:28:40,640
get severe fluttering something was

1889
01:28:44,290 --> 01:28:42,110
moving like there was in the energy was

1890
01:28:47,620 --> 01:28:44,300
a stress point when the airports were

1891
01:28:49,959 --> 01:28:47,630
appearing and nobody else got it at all

1892
01:28:51,430 --> 01:28:49,969
nobody else now it's significantly when

1893
01:28:54,340 --> 01:28:51,440
we had the table off the ground we had a

1894
01:28:56,200 --> 01:28:54,350
big farmhouse table a kitchen table and

1895
01:28:57,580 --> 01:28:56,210
we started getting things where that

1896
01:29:00,280 --> 01:28:57,590
wood floats and you could put your hands

1897
01:29:01,270 --> 01:29:00,290
underneath it and put paperback books I

1898
01:29:04,630 --> 01:29:01,280
mean that was quite a good thing that

1899
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:04,640
really took off but Allen Martin used to

1900
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:07,010
suffer from that that took something out

1901
01:29:10,240 --> 01:29:08,570
of them in a different way now I'm

1902
01:29:14,380 --> 01:29:10,250
curious about this because when an

1903
01:29:17,050 --> 01:29:14,390
airport happens it often happens not

1904
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:17,060
should think a huge percentage 98% in

1905
01:29:22,990 --> 01:29:20,930
the presence of a person or persons you

1906
01:29:25,510 --> 01:29:23,000
have to have the physical person it to

1907
01:29:28,660 --> 01:29:25,520
to mediate between whatever's going on

1908
01:29:30,790 --> 01:29:28,670
wherever this energy is or coalesces

1909
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:30,800
around an idea

1910
01:29:35,200 --> 01:29:33,050
I have no idea how these things work but

1911
01:29:38,350 --> 01:29:35,210
the synchronicities appeared to be

1912
01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:38,360
important this is a long rambling way of

1913
01:29:44,580 --> 01:29:40,250
saying I have no more idea now than a

1914
01:29:46,780 --> 01:29:44,590
hand then but I have intuitive little

1915
01:29:50,080 --> 01:29:46,790
insights every now and again that I

1916
01:29:53,020 --> 01:29:50,090
can't I can't find the words for I don't

1917
01:29:55,660 --> 01:29:53,030
know if there are any I know how it's

1918
01:29:57,790 --> 01:29:55,670
changed my perspective on quantum

1919
01:30:01,479 --> 01:29:57,800
entanglement - all kinds of things you

1920
01:30:03,670 --> 01:30:01,489
know but how it's how they manifested

1921
01:30:06,340 --> 01:30:03,680
and I don't know but it has to be

1922
01:30:08,050 --> 01:30:06,350
through people and if people are capable

1923
01:30:11,590 --> 01:30:08,060
of doing that I mean I've seen these

1924
01:30:14,709 --> 01:30:11,600
things these Declassified files the CIA

1925
01:30:16,709 --> 01:30:14,719
put out there on you go on Google and

1926
01:30:20,459 --> 01:30:16,719
you can google them and the Chinese

1927
01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:20,469
children that are able to manifest - to

1928
01:30:25,150 --> 01:30:23,570
dissolve apparently dissolve a physical

1929
01:30:26,950 --> 01:30:25,160
object and I haven't reappear in

1930
01:30:29,020 --> 01:30:26,960
somebody else's hand in the next room

1931
01:30:32,110 --> 01:30:29,030
and this seems to be quite well

1932
01:30:34,990 --> 01:30:32,120
documented the Chinese psychic children

1933
01:30:36,130 --> 01:30:35,000
and I could believe that I could really

1934
01:30:36,850 --> 01:30:36,140
well believe that with a history of

1935
01:30:40,540 --> 01:30:36,860
Taoism and

1936
01:30:42,010 --> 01:30:40,550
the Chinese alchemy and and chi and

1937
01:30:44,260 --> 01:30:42,020
things like I think they'd be quite I

1938
01:30:45,939 --> 01:30:44,270
think they'd be very very capable of

1939
01:30:49,450 --> 01:30:45,949
producing it and I think there are

1940
01:30:52,870 --> 01:30:49,460
probably experiments going on a lot

1941
01:30:56,169 --> 01:30:52,880
really but as far as the airports go we

1942
01:30:58,120 --> 01:30:56,179
had an awful lot and we did take quite a

1943
01:31:00,010 --> 01:30:58,130
bit out of us and it caused a huge

1944
01:31:01,959 --> 01:31:00,020
amount of argument sometimes because

1945
01:31:04,859 --> 01:31:01,969
physically you have an effect on us

1946
01:31:08,590 --> 01:31:04,869
emotionally and mentally but he was

1947
01:31:11,350 --> 01:31:08,600
shorting running we're running towards

1948
01:31:13,379 --> 01:31:11,360
the midnight hour here Tim yep yep so I

1949
01:31:16,660 --> 01:31:13,389
and and what we're gonna have to have

1950
01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:16,670
Charles and red pill junky back on again

1951
01:31:21,879 --> 01:31:19,610
to add flesh out these stories this is

1952
01:31:25,510 --> 01:31:21,889
just a little bit so states quite a boy

1953
01:31:28,300 --> 01:31:25,520
quite incredible material on my side all

1954
01:31:29,770 --> 01:31:28,310
right so uh gentlemen we want our

1955
01:31:32,680 --> 01:31:29,780
listeners to know a little bit more

1956
01:31:35,379 --> 01:31:32,690
about where they can find out more about

1957
01:31:39,729 --> 01:31:35,389
you so red pill junky let's start with

1958
01:31:40,450 --> 01:31:39,739
you online presence things like that all

1959
01:31:43,240 --> 01:31:40,460
right thank you

1960
01:31:45,790 --> 01:31:43,250
well first of all thank you thank you

1961
01:31:49,689 --> 01:31:45,800
the two of us for having us was a great

1962
01:31:53,939 --> 01:31:49,699
discussion yes you can if you you can

1963
01:31:58,419 --> 01:31:53,949
find me firstly at the daily Grail

1964
01:32:01,899 --> 01:31:58,429
www.teluguone.com/movies an

1965
01:32:04,629 --> 01:32:01,909
administrator and one of the writers and

1966
01:32:07,740 --> 01:32:04,639
I also occasionally write for mysterious

1967
01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:07,750
universe mysterious universe dot org and

1968
01:32:14,890 --> 01:32:13,250
I also semi semi regularly participate

1969
01:32:18,479 --> 01:32:14,900
in the roundtable was organized by

1970
01:32:22,660 --> 01:32:18,489
suryya asketh on his worthy the road go

1971
01:32:26,530 --> 01:32:22,670
podcast and I also have a personal

1972
01:32:29,680 --> 01:32:26,540
website absurd by design.com which is

1973
01:32:33,070 --> 01:32:29,690
where I I put some links together and

1974
01:32:36,590 --> 01:32:33,080
also where I show some of my designs and

1975
01:32:39,060 --> 01:32:36,600
artworks that I do for as commissions

1976
01:32:42,430 --> 01:32:39,070
[Music]

1977
01:32:47,589 --> 01:32:42,440
and and Charles you you have your own

1978
01:32:50,740 --> 01:32:47,599
podcast I do now yes I would I had quite

1979
01:32:53,650 --> 01:32:50,750
a few people after doing the the show

1980
01:32:55,270 --> 01:32:53,660
and Miguel quite a few people said you

1981
01:32:57,550 --> 01:32:55,280
should have your own podcast and you

1982
01:32:59,710 --> 01:32:57,560
should get stuff out because I there are

1983
01:33:01,030 --> 01:32:59,720
so many stories my story don't forget

1984
01:33:04,150 --> 01:33:01,040
there were five people around that table

1985
01:33:05,620 --> 01:33:04,160
it's just one of many I mean really some

1986
01:33:07,900 --> 01:33:05,630
of them are fantastic mother but far

1987
01:33:10,210 --> 01:33:07,910
more interesting than the ones I've got

1988
01:33:12,700 --> 01:33:10,220
and I'm not being modest or

1989
01:33:13,990 --> 01:33:12,710
self-effacing about that is true you

1990
01:33:15,820 --> 01:33:14,000
know I've got people that were in on the

1991
01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:15,830
green stone and the eye of fire who saw

1992
01:33:20,650 --> 01:33:17,810
stuff that I can't even I can't even

1993
01:33:23,650 --> 01:33:20,660
contemplate so I want to interview them

1994
01:33:26,620 --> 01:33:23,660
I want it to be in an archive for for

1995
01:33:28,630 --> 01:33:26,630
psychic questing which even in the UK is

1996
01:33:31,120 --> 01:33:28,640
still pretty much a dark secret it's one

1997
01:33:32,830 --> 01:33:31,130
of the biggest kept secrets ever and

1998
01:33:34,750 --> 01:33:32,840
that's you know look at any books by

1999
01:33:36,910 --> 01:33:34,760
Andy Collins and look at any books by

2000
01:33:39,580 --> 01:33:36,920
Graham Phillips and there's other people

2001
01:33:41,530 --> 01:33:39,590
out there I really really ought to get

2002
01:33:44,200 --> 01:33:41,540
it together so the questing our calm

2003
01:33:47,560 --> 01:33:44,210
will be the first show we'll be up there

2004
01:33:56,890 --> 01:33:47,570
on December the 21st we winter solstice

2005
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here YouTube channel mystery Oh mister

2006
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2007
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2008
01:34:06,850 --> 01:34:04,970
available on amazon.com look for the

2009
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edition published by inner light cool

2010
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new communications because that's us and

2011
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it was a great show a great night and we

2012
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will continue on searching for the truth

2013
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2014
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2015
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2018
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2019
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2020
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2025
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